agreed On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > > The fault is the guy with the gun who goes and stalks the unarmed teenager > because he knows he has a gun and therefore thinks he is a badass. > > If someone stalks me in a car across a neighborhood (which he wouldn't > because I'm white and 40) and gets out to confront me, fuck yeah I'm going > to confront him back. > > Put yourself in Zimmerman's shoes for a moment...are you going to do what > he did if he wasn't armed? He had already relayed his suspicions to the > police. He monitored from afar. Then he went in to confront. He went from > watching to engaging and that's the difference. Martin doesn't go after the > dude in the car...he's headed home. Zimmerman is the instigating factor in > every single step of this drama. > > Legally, Zimmerman was in the right. Florida law is written that way. That > does not make it morally right. Zimmerman pushed every single step of the > encounter because he thought himself a hero with a gun. In the end, he's a > murderer. Acquitted, correctly according to state law, but still someone > who stalked an innocent young man, provoked an encounter, and then took his > life. > > Judah > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Revolution <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It doesn't >> > pass the 'smell test' to me, >> >> it passes mine >> >> > and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, it >> > was him in this situation. >> >> Based on the evidence I disagree >> >> >> > What I think happened is that he tried to be a >> > tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin >> > defended himself. >> >> I think you are very close to being right. >> The only difference is >> >> What I think happened is >> - Zimmerman tried to a tough guy (for whatever stupid reason) and >> - Martin being a "tough kid" smacked the idiot up-side-head (ie: cold >> cocked him) >> - when Zimmerman came around a corner (after talking to the police) to >> supposedly "stalk him" >> ---- this probably dropped Zimmerman to the ground. >> >> Martin then produced to sit on Zimmerman >> - and beat the shit out of him. >> >> I believe Martin probably said something like >> - "you're gonna die tonight MF" (ad-libbing here of course) >> >> And the only way for Zimmerman to exit this situation with his life >> - was to pull the trigger. >> >> Who's fault is it: Both idiots were at fault. for being stupid. >> >> Unfortunately, one of the idiots died. >> >> As for making Martin a martyr and comparing Martin to "Martin Luther >> King" .. give me a break. >> >> There were 2 idiots that night. Neither of them compare to Martin Luther >> King. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > I am not sure where you got that idea from Sam, I said nothing of the >> sort. >> > >> > I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It doesn't >> > pass the 'smell test' to me, and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, it >> > was him in this situation. What I think happened is that he tried to be a >> > tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin >> > defended himself. Pure speculation of course. >> > >> > Again, the only version we heard was Zimmerman's because Martin did not >> > survive the encounter. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> So let's get this straight. You think Zimmerman called the po-po, then >> >> attacked with intent to kill because black, because he learned in school >> >> how to use the law to get away with it? >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Witnesses saw Martin attack Zimmerman, or saw Martin on top of >> Zimmerman >> >>> after the 'attack' started? >> >>> >> >>> Subtle but important distinction. Just because Martin was on top of him >> >> at >> >>> some point does not mean he 'started it'. It is just as likely that >> >> Martin >> >>> was defending himself from Zimmerman. >> >>> >> >>> It is very easy to create reasonable doubt when the other guy cannot >> tel >> >>> their side of the story. >> >>> >> >>> I understand he was found 'not guilty' because the law in Florida made >> it >> >>> pretty much impossible to convict him, but that does not take away from >> >> the >> >>> fact that, after being told not to, he followed (does that word work >> >>> better for you) , shot and killed a minor. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> The witnesses? >> >>>> >> >>>> Did git even follow the trial? >> >>>> >> >>>> The girl friend was proven to be lying. >> >>>> >> >>>> The other lady ADMITTED she was lying. Based off what she saw on tv. >> >>>> >> >>>> He fired up, from his back while the kid was on top of him. His head >> >> was >> >>>> smashed into the ground and his nose broken. >> >>>> >> >>>> Finally you yourself just won the case for me. >> >>>> >> >>>> In our system all you need to do is provide a reasonable doubt. There >> >> is >> >>>> more than reasonable doubt >> >>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:11 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Not true. In some places they are sworn officers. Even so, what he >> >> was >> >>>> told >> >>>>> was sound advice and any reasonable person would have heeded said >> >>> advice. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> How do we know Zimmerman did not 'attack' first? Oh, right...we have >> >>> take >> >>>>> the word of the only one of them who had a gun and used it, and >> >>>>> coincidentally, was the only one to survive the confrontation. It is >> >>> not >> >>>>> like he would have anything to lie about. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> A minor who attacked him? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yup >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Following and questioning people in public, even photographing and >> >>>>>> recording them is totally legal. Dispatchers as you work know >> >> aren't >> >>>>> sworn >> >>>>>> officers and can't TELL you to do a damn thing. >> >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:02 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Let's see....he followed Martin in his car, and then, after being >> >>>> told >> >>>>>> not >> >>>>>>> to by the 911 operator, he pursued martin on foot. Sounds like >> >>>> stalking >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> me or maybe it is 'pursuing', either way, he should not have been >> >>>> doing >> >>>>>>> it.. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> But, that aside....I will amend my original comment - >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 'Rescuing' 4 people who were uninjured does not negate the fact >> >>> that >> >>>> he >> >>>>>>> shot and killed a minor. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Feel better about that? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Stalk. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> You don't even know what the word means. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've stalked. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In a ghilie. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> From a hide site. With a rifle. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> He asked a kid who was loitering in his neighborhood questions >> >>> and >> >>>>> got >> >>>>>>>> assaulted for it. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm sick of this unarmed nonsense. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> You don't need a weapon to cause grave bodily damage and death. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Shot and killed ill give you. Not stalked. If he had stalked >> >> him >> >>>> he'd >> >>>>>> be >> >>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>> prison. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Trayvon was there long enough for Zimmerman to make phone calls >> >>> and >> >>>>>> shit. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm gonna look into shit like that all day every day in my >> >>>>>> neighborhood. >> >>>>>>>> I'm not even neighborhood watch. Trust and believe I don't >> >> need a >> >>>> gun >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> kill. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Top it off with the cracker shit and I see a racist punk kid >> >> who >> >>>>> made a >> >>>>>>>> realbad decision. >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:40 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Tim - >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Are you implying that because he was found 'not guilty' that >> >> he >> >>>> did >> >>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>> fact stalk, shoot and kill an unarmed person? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never mentioned the verdict, merely the details of the >> >>>> incident. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM, LRS Scout < >> >> [email protected] >> >>>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Really? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure our judicial system disagreed with you. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Not even a hung jury. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Not guilty. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> The cops didn't even want to arrest him, they were made to. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> But you know better right? >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:17 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> He is. 'Rescuing' 4 people with no injuries does not >> >> negate >> >>>>> that >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>> fact >> >>>>>>>>>>> that he stalked, shot and killed an unarmed person. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, LRS Scout < >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> What a monster. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:13 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was an Onion headline when i first saw >> >>>>>> it....but >> >>>>>>>>>>>> apparently >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not! >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-rescue-family-trapped-suv/story?id=19735432 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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