For all we know, Martin may have been exercising his Stand Your Ground rights when Zimmerman shot him.
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Who was comparing Martin to MLK Jr? I certainly made no such comparison. > > I could see things happening the way you say. But I think it is just as > possible that Zimmerman confronted Martin with his gun drawn. Every one > assumes Martin was the aggressor because he wound up on top of Zimmerman, > it just as likely Zimmerman was and Martin got the better off him... > Initially. > > As I have said numerous times, we only know Zimmerman's story because > Martin is dead. The fact that Zimmerman did something stupid and some one > is dead as a result gives him a VERY compelling reason to lie. > On Jul 22, 2013 4:54 PM, "Revolution" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It > doesn't > > > pass the 'smell test' to me, > > > > it passes mine > > > > > and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, it > > > was him in this situation. > > > > Based on the evidence I disagree > > > > > > > What I think happened is that he tried to be a > > > tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin > > > defended himself. > > > > I think you are very close to being right. > > The only difference is > > > > What I think happened is > > - Zimmerman tried to a tough guy (for whatever stupid reason) and > > - Martin being a "tough kid" smacked the idiot up-side-head (ie: cold > > cocked him) > > - when Zimmerman came around a corner (after talking to the police) to > > supposedly "stalk him" > > ---- this probably dropped Zimmerman to the ground. > > > > Martin then produced to sit on Zimmerman > > - and beat the shit out of him. > > > > I believe Martin probably said something like > > - "you're gonna die tonight MF" (ad-libbing here of course) > > > > And the only way for Zimmerman to exit this situation with his life > > - was to pull the trigger. > > > > Who's fault is it: Both idiots were at fault. for being stupid. > > > > Unfortunately, one of the idiots died. > > > > As for making Martin a martyr and comparing Martin to "Martin Luther > > King" .. give me a break. > > > > There were 2 idiots that night. Neither of them compare to Martin Luther > > King. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not sure where you got that idea from Sam, I said nothing of the > > sort. > > > > > > I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It > doesn't > > > pass the 'smell test' to me, and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, > it > > > was him in this situation. What I think happened is that he tried to > be a > > > tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin > > > defended himself. Pure speculation of course. > > > > > > Again, the only version we heard was Zimmerman's because Martin did not > > > survive the encounter. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> So let's get this straight. You think Zimmerman called the po-po, then > > >> attacked with intent to kill because black, because he learned in > school > > >> how to use the law to get away with it? > > >> > > >> . > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Witnesses saw Martin attack Zimmerman, or saw Martin on top of > > Zimmerman > > >>> after the 'attack' started? > > >>> > > >>> Subtle but important distinction. Just because Martin was on top of > him > > >> at > > >>> some point does not mean he 'started it'. It is just as likely that > > >> Martin > > >>> was defending himself from Zimmerman. > > >>> > > >>> It is very easy to create reasonable doubt when the other guy cannot > > tel > > >>> their side of the story. > > >>> > > >>> I understand he was found 'not guilty' because the law in Florida > made > > it > > >>> pretty much impossible to convict him, but that does not take away > from > > >> the > > >>> fact that, after being told not to, he followed (does that word work > > >>> better for you) , shot and killed a minor. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> The witnesses? > > >>>> > > >>>> Did git even follow the trial? > > >>>> > > >>>> The girl friend was proven to be lying. > > >>>> > > >>>> The other lady ADMITTED she was lying. Based off what she saw on tv. > > >>>> > > >>>> He fired up, from his back while the kid was on top of him. His head > > >> was > > >>>> smashed into the ground and his nose broken. > > >>>> > > >>>> Finally you yourself just won the case for me. > > >>>> > > >>>> In our system all you need to do is provide a reasonable doubt. > There > > >> is > > >>>> more than reasonable doubt > > >>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:11 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Not true. In some places they are sworn officers. Even so, what he > > >> was > > >>>> told > > >>>>> was sound advice and any reasonable person would have heeded said > > >>> advice. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> How do we know Zimmerman did not 'attack' first? Oh, right...we > have > > >>> take > > >>>>> the word of the only one of them who had a gun and used it, and > > >>>>> coincidentally, was the only one to survive the confrontation. It > is > > >>> not > > >>>>> like he would have anything to lie about. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> A minor who attacked him? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Yup > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Following and questioning people in public, even photographing and > > >>>>>> recording them is totally legal. Dispatchers as you work know > > >> aren't > > >>>>> sworn > > >>>>>> officers and can't TELL you to do a damn thing. > > >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:02 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Let's see....he followed Martin in his car, and then, after being > > >>>> told > > >>>>>> not > > >>>>>>> to by the 911 operator, he pursued martin on foot. Sounds like > > >>>> stalking > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> me or maybe it is 'pursuing', either way, he should not have been > > >>>> doing > > >>>>>>> it.. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> But, that aside....I will amend my original comment - > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 'Rescuing' 4 people who were uninjured does not negate the fact > > >>> that > > >>>> he > > >>>>>>> shot and killed a minor. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Feel better about that? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Stalk. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> You don't even know what the word means. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I've stalked. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> In a ghilie. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> From a hide site. With a rifle. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> He asked a kid who was loitering in his neighborhood questions > > >>> and > > >>>>> got > > >>>>>>>> assaulted for it. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I'm sick of this unarmed nonsense. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> You don't need a weapon to cause grave bodily damage and death. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Shot and killed ill give you. Not stalked. If he had stalked > > >> him > > >>>> he'd > > >>>>>> be > > >>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>> prison. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Trayvon was there long enough for Zimmerman to make phone calls > > >>> and > > >>>>>> shit. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I'm gonna look into shit like that all day every day in my > > >>>>>> neighborhood. > > >>>>>>>> I'm not even neighborhood watch. Trust and believe I don't > > >> need a > > >>>> gun > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>> kill. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Top it off with the cracker shit and I see a racist punk kid > > >> who > > >>>>> made a > > >>>>>>>> realbad decision. > > >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:40 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Tim - > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Are you implying that because he was found 'not guilty' that > > >> he > > >>>> did > > >>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>> fact stalk, shoot and kill an unarmed person? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I never mentioned the verdict, merely the details of the > > >>>> incident. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM, LRS Scout < > > >> [email protected] > > >>>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Really? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure our judicial system disagreed with you. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Not even a hung jury. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Not guilty. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> The cops didn't even want to arrest him, they were made to. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> But you know better right? > > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:17 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> He is. 'Rescuing' 4 people with no injuries does not > > >> negate > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> fact > > >>>>>>>>>>> that he stalked, shot and killed an unarmed person. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, LRS Scout < > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> What a monster. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:13 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was an Onion headline when i first saw > > >>>>>> it....but > > >>>>>>>>>>>> apparently > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-rescue-family-trapped-suv/story?id=19735432 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:365803 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
