On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You keep going on and on about this, and how the Earth has not gotten > warmer in the last 10 years or so. > > 17 > > When you look at the history of the Earth, it is BILLIONS of years old. > Over time, there have been periods of warming and periods of cooling. > During a 'warming period' not every year would have been warmer than the > previous. Not to mention that 10 years over the span of millions is not > even the equivalent of the 'blink of an eye' > > If you go back past 1880 then this particular warming cycle is cyclical and not extraordinary. Take a look at this chart - > > http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/IceCores1.gifit > shows a relationship between CO2 levels and temperature. You can see > that even during 'cooling trends' there were 'spikes' where it was warmer, > but the overall trend was that it was getting cooler. The same can be said > of the 'warming' periods and 'dips' where it was cooler, but the overall > trend was that it was getting warmer. > > Bad chart. First, CO2 lags behind temperature. Second, CO2 is lower now than it was 100k and 300k years ago. I think you need a new source. The thing that concerns me about that graph is the CO2 level at the far > right of the graph. It is higher than at any other time that we can > determine. I think it is a safe assumption that the big 'spike' on the > right side of the graph is from humans. If you believe otherwise, you are > foolish. > > The debate is what will happen because of those increased levels of CO2. > And I don't think anyone can say with any level of certainty what will > happen. But, if you think that we can continue to pump that mush C)2 int > the atmosphere and not suffer some kind of side effects, you are also being > foolish. > By closing "cleaner fuel burning factories" in the US so China and India can do the manufacturing in "dirty" is foolish. Look at the US CO2 emissions, they went way down without cap-n-trade laws yet those other countries CO2 skyrocketed. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep the clean factories open? > So, my feeling is, regardless of what will happen with the climate, we, as > a species, should be trying to reduce the levels of CO2. Why? Because we > don't know what will happen. If we reduce our CO2 emissions and nothing > would have happened anyway, the worst result is that we leave the planet in > better shape. If we do nothing about CO2 emissions and it will cause the > problems that some predict, well, then we are screwed. > > That's what the head of the IPCC said. So much for science. I think I want ot error on the side of caution on this one. > > And error you will. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You mean the fact that the NYT still pretends Climate Change is real? > Wait > > until the see the new IPCC report than they'll really feel stupid. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:367113 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
