I am not discussing whether or not something is 'just'. I am discussing who is 'responsible' for the deaths of civilians.
Once again, if Mexico attacks us, but gives us warning, they get a free pass on any and all civilian deaths - that seems to be what you are saying. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > If we launched an attack on Mexico and they responded by attacking America > I would expect civilians to die. It's ugly but it's just. > > Especially in both the real and notional examples which have elected > "representative" governments which makes the citizens morally responsible > for the attackers actions. > > If anything it should be incumbent upon the local population to go after > Hamas, but most people in Gaza support them. > On Jul 14, 2014 10:34 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > OK..so if Mexico launched an attack on the White House and civilians that > > lived or worked near the intended target died, Mexico would be absolved > of > > those deaths as long as they warned us ahead of time? > > > > And, sorry, but they are still 'people'. maybe not people we like, but > > people nonetheless. > > > > Again, absolutely befuddled this is coming from you. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not people, one of the two parties that make up the coalition > government > > of > > > that nation. > > > > > > It's their government. With missiles and machine guns, not drug > dealers > > or > > > gang bangers, not even close. > > > > > > Armed by the government's of Iran and Syria. Hezbollah even took some > > time > > > off from fighting in Syria to take some shots at Israel. > > > On Jul 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just so I understand. > > > > > > > > If you get notified from Mexico that there are people in your > > > neighborhood > > > > doing bad things and Mexico is going to launch an attack, with bombs > > and > > > > other explosive ordinance, on your neighbors, Mexico would be > absolved > > of > > > > any and all wrong doing should you, or one of your family members, > die > > in > > > > the attack because you didn't leave your home? > > > > > > > > Something just does not compute there, Tim. Of all people, I would > > think > > > > you would have an issue with that. > > > > > > > > The US has gotten slaughtered in the press when there are 'civilian' > > > > casualties from these strikes of which you speak. > > > > > > > > I guess the only thing the US has not done correctly in these attacks > > was > > > > let people know ahead of time that we were going to do it. Then it > > would > > > > not be our fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:07 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a valid reason for doing so without warning during a > war? > > > > > > > > > > If the building (these are built up urban areas) I'd being used to > > > launch > > > > > missiles? > > > > > > > > > > American media has so sanitized war that this is really how we > think? > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any idea how many collateral deaths we are responsible > > for > > > > > around the world every year? > > > > > > > > > > I don't. We don't track it report that. What do you think a > > predator > > > > or a > > > > > JDAM does? They aren't magic, they don't kill just the one > > individual > > > we > > > > > are targeting. > > > > > On Jul 14, 2014 6:38 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what you are saying is, if you warn someone you are about to > > blow > > > > up > > > > > > their house it absolves you of all wrong doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Sam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still going with the murder thingy? Even after I showed you > that > > > the > > > > > > > Israeli military notifies people before they bomb and that > Hamas > > > > > > > demands people stay and die even after being notified? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not matter whether there was, or was not a state. > > > > > > > > The issue is the murder of civilians. > > > > > > > > Unless your argument is that because there was not a state, > it > > is > > > > ok > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Israel to murder civilians. > > > > > > > > ᧠> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371529 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
