A palestinian from Gaza speaks: "Sorry I didn't see the second question, no I didn't receive any calls, I really don't know the procedure, but if you go out of your home in Gaza you will find no other home, it is so densely populated and Israel told a hundred thousand to flee, these would flee to the streets, they have no other place.
And I mean we gave lots of things that we legitimately had for the peace process but nothing happened, they are still settling, and we have no recognition from Israel, and we have no control over our land, air and sea." "No I am not pro-Hamas. Yes Hamas was fairly elected and the elections was witnessed by thousands from all over the world. They were elected because the peace process with your government did nothing we gave you more and more waivers(is that the true word?) and we got nothing in the end. So we wanted to try the other way around it. I hope one day we can live together peacefully." "No I live in the city (I am lucky to have an above average wealthy family), It is very easy I have had internet since 2002, and ADSL since 2006. We don't have any checkpoints in Gaza we can only live in Gaza, and not go out nor go in even to our other part of the country which everyone recognizes "the West Bank"." "I hate Hamas current political policy I think they are hypocrites, but their military wing has the good men. And no they are not a terror organization, but their military wing are freedom fighters. Hamas and other major fractions hasn't fired a single rocket to Israel since 2012, and Hamas was responsible for stopping them. Most of the people in Gaza wouldn't want Hamas in office, we prefer it to be a resistance party away from the political ground. It is a legitimate request, as if they were to go out of their homes, they would certainly be demolished, and they would not have a place to house them, and they would go homeless. But if they stayed they would have a chance of 1/1000 to be bombed and if they were to be bombed they would know and they would be out of it. Of course not, every country should have the right to defend it self." -------- And here we have articles from an Israeli newspaper refuting the assertion that HAMAS rockets started this. There has been so much raw information, misrepresented information, and sheer deliberate misinformation <http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/> [1] that it is becoming increasingly difficult to separate facts from propaganda. OP is correct in saying that Hamas didn't fire any rockets and even sent active patrols to prevent others from launching rockets (and Israeli news sources even corroborate this) since the 2012 truce. They didn't start firing rockets until the Israeli bombing of Palestinians and Hamas began anew - which began prior to Protective Edge. The prisoners freed as part of the truce were rearrested, several homes (residential, not military targets, even by Israel's admission) were demolished based on suspicion alone. You may call bias into this, so I will use only Israeli sources here: Since the 2012 ceasefire Hamas has refrained from rocket attacks on Israel. I know what you're thinking - rockets were coming out of Gaza and landing in Israel between November 2012 and now, and that's definitely true. But these rockets didn't come from Hamas and more importantly, Hamas was trying to stop them. Hamas deploys 600-strong force to prevent rocket fire at Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-establishes-special-force-to-prevent-rocket-fire/#ixzz37MFA5sKO [2] Hamas arrests terror cell responsible for rocket fire on Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-arrests-terror-cell-responsible-for-rocket-fire-on-israel/#ixzz37MFLhn3Q [3] An Israeli army general says Hamas is stopping attacks against Israel and even âkeeps the peaceâ when the IDF operates along the border. http://972mag.com/head-of-idfs-gaza-command-hamas-is-the-new-policeman-in-gaza/82895/ [4] So now that is out of the way let's look at this conflict from where it started (some will say it started with the death of 2 Palestinian teens who were shot during a protest <http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.590861>[5] ) but I'll say it started with the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teens in the West Bank. After those teens were kidnapped the Israeli government started rounding up Palestinians and arresting them, many of those arrested are still being held without charge. At the time Israel was saying that the operation was under way in order to find the kidnapped teens. Later on it was revealed that the Israeli government knew that the teens were dead but issued a gag order as to the evidence that would suggest that while at the same time insisting they were alive and maintaining that the operation in the West Bank was to find the kidnapped teens. Details of the â100â² call (the local equivalent of 911) and what investigators discovered in the car used for the kidnapping of three Israeli teens earlier this month were well known by security service heads, top ministers â and even journalists â early on in the affair; but not by the public because it was all placed and kept under a tightly held gag order. The blood found in the car, the sound of gun shots in the emergency call, evidence of live ammunition and the fact that there hasnât been a single instance of two or more people being held hostage in the West Bank in decades â all that led to a single logical assumption: the teens were no longer alive. Yet at the same time, the Israeli public was told the teens were being held by Hamas, and a public campaign calling for their return was launched. http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/ [6] As this all happened, Israel's government was blaming Hamas for the kidnapping of the teens - despite showing no evidence to support that claim. As far as is known, the Hamas leadership in Gaza was not part of the chain of command behind the abduction, carried out by a Hamas cell from Hebron on July 12. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.603889[7] But despite all of this, Hamas didn't react. They continued trying to stop the rocket attacks on Israel and were hoping that the unity government that was just set up would give them a diplomatic way to deal with the prisoners. Keep in mind that while these attacks didn't come from Hamas (Hamas takes responsibility for their attacks, they denied involvement in the ones preceding the Israeli retaliation) Israel would always strike Hamas targets in retaliation. Then came the straw that broke the camel's back, at least for Hamas: Hamas has had no interest in a major escalation, and had not been directly attacking Israel until the last few days. But ever since one of its members, Mohammed Obeid, was killed in an Israeli border attack at the end of last month â an apparent error: the IDF thought it was firing at a rocket-launch cell, but actually struck Hamas members deployed to prevent rocket fire â it has changed its approach. http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-smells-israels-fear-of-escalation-and-so-the-rockets-keep-coming/ [8] One of their members was killed by Israel while trying to stop rocket attacks on Israel. For the first time, Hamas started firing rockets back at Israel and took full responsibility for firing those rockets. Say what you will about Hamas, but they fully admit when they are launching rockets and when they abduct Israelis - and their operations have been focused on military targets. ᧠On 17 July 2014 09:42, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > And from what alternate reality are you getting that history from Sam? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:38 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > History has shown that Israel will bend over backwards to get peace and > have > and these efforts fail every time. They gave back Gaza with the the huge > money making hot houses against all logic, knowing full well it would just > give them a place to fire rockets from, but they did it with the slightest > bit of hope that there would be peace. > > . > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:44 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Not intentionally lie, just approach the situation with a bias that > > steers you in one direction. > > > > Those who bemoan the Palestinian situation are not without merit. > > Israel is not a gentle dove seeking peace above all else. Decades of > > fighting for their own survival have left them paranoid and > > distrustful. This is understandable, but it's not always helpful. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371694 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
