http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-hospital-treats-Hamas-PM-Haniyehs-granddaughter-332193 On Jul 17, 2014 11:54 AM, "LRS Scout" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure they do. > > And they never stage bodies at places where attacks happen, and they > always tell the truth. > > Did you hear that north Korea won the world cup? > On Jul 17, 2014 11:49 AM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> A palestinian from Gaza speaks: >> >> "Sorry I didn't see the second question, no I didn't receive any calls, I >> really don't know the procedure, but if you go out of your home in Gaza >> you >> will find no other home, it is so densely populated and Israel told a >> hundred thousand to flee, these would flee to the streets, they have no >> other place. >> >> And I mean we gave lots of things that we legitimately had for the peace >> process but nothing happened, they are still settling, and we have no >> recognition from Israel, and we have no control over our land, air and >> sea." >> >> >> "No I am not pro-Hamas. Yes Hamas was fairly elected and the elections was >> witnessed by thousands from all over the world. They were elected because >> the peace process with your government did nothing we gave you more and >> more waivers(is that the true word?) and we got nothing in the end. So we >> wanted to try the other way around it. >> >> I hope one day we can live together peacefully." >> >> >> "No I live in the city (I am lucky to have an above average wealthy >> family), It is very easy I have had internet since 2002, and ADSL since >> 2006. >> >> We don't have any checkpoints in Gaza we can only live in Gaza, and not go >> out nor go in even to our other part of the country which everyone >> recognizes "the West Bank"." >> >> >> "I hate Hamas current political policy I think they are hypocrites, but >> their military wing has the good men. And no they are not a terror >> organization, but their military wing are freedom fighters. >> >> Hamas and other major fractions hasn't fired a single rocket to Israel >> since 2012, and Hamas was responsible for stopping them. Most of the >> people >> in Gaza wouldn't want Hamas in office, we prefer it to be a resistance >> party away from the political ground. >> >> It is a legitimate request, as if they were to go out of their homes, they >> would certainly be demolished, and they would not have a place to house >> them, and they would go homeless. But if they stayed they would have a >> chance of 1/1000 to be bombed and if they were to be bombed they would >> know >> and they would be out of it. >> >> Of course not, every country should have the right to defend it self." >> >> >> -------- >> >> And here we have articles from an Israeli newspaper refuting the assertion >> that HAMAS rockets started this. >> >> There has been so much raw information, misrepresented information, and >> sheer deliberate misinformation >> < >> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/ >> > >> [1] that it is becoming increasingly difficult to separate facts from >> propaganda. OP is correct in saying that Hamas didn't fire any rockets and >> even sent active patrols to prevent others from launching rockets (and >> Israeli news sources even corroborate this) since the 2012 truce. They >> didn't start firing rockets until the Israeli bombing of Palestinians and >> Hamas began anew - which began prior to Protective Edge. The prisoners >> freed as part of the truce were rearrested, several homes (residential, >> not >> military targets, even by Israel's admission) were demolished based on >> suspicion alone. >> >> You may call bias into this, so I will use only Israeli sources here: >> >> Since the 2012 ceasefire Hamas has refrained from rocket attacks on >> Israel. >> I know what you're thinking - rockets were coming out of Gaza and landing >> in Israel between November 2012 and now, and that's definitely true. But >> these rockets didn't come from Hamas and more importantly, Hamas was >> trying >> to stop them. >> >> Hamas deploys 600-strong force to prevent rocket fire at Israel >> >> >> http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-establishes-special-force-to-prevent-rocket-fire/#ixzz37MFA5sKO >> [2] >> >> Hamas arrests terror cell responsible for rocket fire on Israel >> >> >> http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-arrests-terror-cell-responsible-for-rocket-fire-on-israel/#ixzz37MFLhn3Q >> [3] >> >> An Israeli army general says Hamas is stopping attacks against Israel and >> even âkeeps the peaceâ when the IDF operates along the border. >> >> >> http://972mag.com/head-of-idfs-gaza-command-hamas-is-the-new-policeman-in-gaza/82895/ >> [4] >> >> So now that is out of the way let's look at this conflict from where it >> started (some will say it started with the death of 2 Palestinian teens >> who >> were shot during a protest >> <http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.590861>[5] ) but I'll >> say >> it started with the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teens in the West Bank. >> >> After those teens were kidnapped the Israeli government started rounding >> up >> Palestinians and arresting them, many of those arrested are still being >> held without charge. At the time Israel was saying that the operation was >> under way in order to find the kidnapped teens. Later on it was revealed >> that the Israeli government knew that the teens were dead but issued a gag >> order as to the evidence that would suggest that while at the same time >> insisting they were alive and maintaining that the operation in the West >> Bank was to find the kidnapped teens. >> >> Details of the â100â² call (the local equivalent of 911) and what >> investigators discovered in the car used for the kidnapping of three >> Israeli teens earlier this month were well known by security service >> heads, >> top ministers â and even journalists â early on in the affair; but not by >> the public because it was all placed and kept under a tightly held gag >> order. The blood found in the car, the sound of gun shots in the emergency >> call, evidence of live ammunition and the fact that there hasnât been a >> single instance of two or more people being held hostage in the West Bank >> in decades â all that led to a single logical assumption: the teens were >> no >> longer alive. Yet at the same time, the Israeli public was told the teens >> were being held by Hamas, and a public campaign calling for their return >> was launched. >> >> >> http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/ >> [6] >> >> As this all happened, Israel's government was blaming Hamas for the >> kidnapping of the teens - despite showing no evidence to support that >> claim. >> >> As far as is known, the Hamas leadership in Gaza was not part of the chain >> of command behind the abduction, carried out by a Hamas cell from Hebron >> on >> July 12. >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.603889[7] >> >> But despite all of this, Hamas didn't react. They continued trying to stop >> the rocket attacks on Israel and were hoping that the unity government >> that >> was just set up would give them a diplomatic way to deal with the >> prisoners. >> >> Keep in mind that while these attacks didn't come from Hamas (Hamas takes >> responsibility for their attacks, they denied involvement in the ones >> preceding the Israeli retaliation) Israel would always strike Hamas >> targets >> in retaliation. >> >> Then came the straw that broke the camel's back, at least for Hamas: >> >> Hamas has had no interest in a major escalation, and had not been directly >> attacking Israel until the last few days. But ever since one of its >> members, Mohammed Obeid, was killed in an Israeli border attack at the end >> of last month â an apparent error: the IDF thought it was firing at a >> rocket-launch cell, but actually struck Hamas members deployed to prevent >> rocket fire â it has changed its approach. >> >> >> http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-smells-israels-fear-of-escalation-and-so-the-rockets-keep-coming/ >> [8] >> >> One of their members was killed by Israel while trying to stop rocket >> attacks on Israel. For the first time, Hamas started firing rockets back >> at >> Israel and took full responsibility for firing those rockets. >> >> Say what you will about Hamas, but they fully admit when they are >> launching >> rockets and when they abduct Israelis - and their operations have been >> focused on military targets. >> ᧠>> >> >> On 17 July 2014 09:42, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > And from what alternate reality are you getting that history from Sam? >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:38 AM >> > To: cf-community >> > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... >> > >> > >> > History has shown that Israel will bend over backwards to get peace and >> > have >> > and these efforts fail every time. They gave back Gaza with the the huge >> > money making hot houses against all logic, knowing full well it would >> just >> > give them a place to fire rockets from, but they did it with the >> slightest >> > bit of hope that there would be peace. >> > >> > . >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:44 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > Not intentionally lie, just approach the situation with a bias that >> > > steers you in one direction. >> > > >> > > Those who bemoan the Palestinian situation are not without merit. >> > > Israel is not a gentle dove seeking peace above all else. Decades of >> > > fighting for their own survival have left them paranoid and >> > > distrustful. This is understandable, but it's not always helpful. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371696 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
