Why do have such hostility and apparent hatred towards women, Rick? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Rick Faircloth <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Wrong, Eric! > > Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible > for hers! > > I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this > society. > Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! > > If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The > exception > being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in rape. > Woman can't hide behind > their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when > they lose! > > Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! > > > On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not > > 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. > > > > Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, > > subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to justify > his > > actions because you think she deserved it. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to > >> blame for you > >> being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility > for > >> provoking Ray? > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't > assaulted > >>> him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > >>> deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the > >> kitchen > >>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > >>> > >>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < > >> [email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > >>>> action have consequences. > >>>> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never > >>>> at fault for > >>>> anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. > >>>> > >>>> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > >>>> would have struck back. > >>>> > >>>> That's a safe bet that I'll take. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>>>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > >>>> punching > >>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > >>>>> situation. > >>>>> > >>>>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one > >> else. > >>>>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these > professional > >>>>> athletes realize that. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > >>>> couple > >>>>>> that had problems, > >>>>>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things > out, > >>>> and > >>>>>> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What would you say then? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > >>>> decided > >>>>>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > >>>>>>> soon-to-be wife in the face. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of > >> someone > >>>>>> who > >>>>>>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > >>>> death > >>>>>>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest > red > >>>>>> flag > >>>>>>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > >>>>>> person > >>>>>>> who the the punch. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to > >>>> get a > >>>>>>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their > state > >>>> of > >>>>>>> mind is/was. > >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. > >>>>>>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > >>>>>>>> A) his actions were disproportionate > >>>>>>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults > >>>>>>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. > >>>>>>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple > or > >>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>> situation > >>>>>>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > >>>>>>> violence > >>>>>>>> at all. > >>>>>>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > >>>>>> couple's > >>>>>>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they > were > >>>>>>>> probably both very drunk. > >>>>>>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation > >>>> needs > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> be viewed objectively. > >>>>>>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing > >>>>>> happened > >>>>>>>> from February to now... > >>>>>>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live > >> their > >>>>>>>> life. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that > know > >>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>> to look after her. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They > >>>> haven't > >>>>>>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. > >>>>>>>> They have destroyed a family. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come > out > >>>> and > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. > >>>>>>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he > was > >>>>>>> always > >>>>>>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am > >>>>>> giving > >>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>> to much credit. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick > >>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>> ever consider. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this > whole > >>>>>>> thread > >>>>>>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I > am > >>>>>>>>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on > Facebook. > >>>>>> It > >>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > >>>>>>>>> apparently, I am not the only one. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to > deserve > >>>>>>> being > >>>>>>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never > in > >>>>>>>> danger. > >>>>>>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting > him > >> as > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> victim? > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > >>>>>>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take > >>>>>> responsibility > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, > >>>>>>>>>> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to > prosecute, > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>> had a stronger case against him. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were > later > >>>>>>>>> dropped. > >>>>>>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you > >>>>>>> guys > >>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372349 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
