Then perhaps we should pause this discussion until we know all the facts, then draw some conclusions.
On 9/10/2014 9:43 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > That was Scott...but I do concur. I do not know why they released her and > dropped the charges. Maybe they know something we don't know. To say you > know, unless you were there, is bullshit. I am assuming they had good > reason to drop the charges. We don't know the entire situation. Maybe that > slap was her trying to defend herself...we don't know. All we can see is > the small segment recorded by the elevator cam. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ray Rice > > > Wrong, Eric! > > Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible for > hers! > > I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this > society. > Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! > > If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The > exception being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in > rape. > Woman can't hide behind > their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when they > lose! > > Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! > > > On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did >> not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. >> >> Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, >> subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to >> justify his actions because you think she deserved it. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to >>> blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some >>> responsibility for provoking Ray? >>> >>> >>> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't >>>> assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially >>>> saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she >>>> stayed in the >>> kitchen >>>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? >>>> >>>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < >>> [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S >>>>> action have consequences. >>>>> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are >>>>> never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in >>>>> the world" feminism. >>>>> >>>>> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never >>>>> would have struck back. >>>>> >>>>> That's a safe bet that I'll take. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>>>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that >>>>> punching >>>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the >>>>>> situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one >>> else. >>>>>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these >>>>>> professional athletes realize that. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were >>>>>>> a >>>>> couple >>>>>>> that had problems, >>>>>>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things >>>>>>> out, >>>>> and >>>>>>> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What would you say then? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment >>>>>>>> he >>>>> decided >>>>>>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch >>>>>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of >>> someone >>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in >>>>>>>> her >>>>> death >>>>>>>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The >>>>>>>> biggest red >>>>>>> flag >>>>>>>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> person >>>>>>>> who the the punch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed >>>>>>>> to >>>>> get a >>>>>>>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their >>>>>>>> state >>>>> of >>>>>>>> mind is/was. >>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. >>>>>>>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that >>>>>>>>> A) his actions were disproportionate >>>>>>>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults >>>>>>>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. >>>>>>>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the >>>>>>>>> couple or >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> situation >>>>>>>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of >>>>>>>>> domestic >>>>>>>> violence >>>>>>>>> at all. >>>>>>>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that >>>>>>> couple's >>>>>>>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they >>>>>>>>> were probably both very drunk. >>>>>>>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire >>>>>>>>> situation >>>>> needs >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be viewed objectively. >>>>>>>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing >>>>>>> happened >>>>>>>>> from February to now... >>>>>>>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and >>>>>>>>> live >>> their >>>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that >>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> to look after her. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They >>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. >>>>>>>>> They have destroyed a family. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come >>>>>>>>> out >>>>> and >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. >>>>>>>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I >>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>> giving >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> to much credit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something >>>>>>>>>> Rick >>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> ever consider. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this >>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>> thread >>>>>>>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, >>>>>>>>>> I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on > Facebook. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years >>>>>>>>>> - apparently, I am not the only one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to >>>>>>>>>> deserve >>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was >>>>>>>>>> never in >>>>>>>>> danger. >>>>>>>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting >>>>>>>>>> him >>> as >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> victim? >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? >>>>>>>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take >>>>>>> responsibility >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do >>>>>>>>>>> anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth >>>>>>>>>>> it to prosecute, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> had a stronger case against him. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were >>>>>>>>>>>> later >>>>>>>>>> dropped. >>>>>>>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372361 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
