So, let me get this straight. When you thought that she provoked him, you stated that she was 'asking for trouble' and that if she did not want to get punched she should not have 'attacked' him.
Now, when it is suggested that he may have been the one who 'attacked' her first by spitting on her (twice) we need to not draw conclusions without complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship? That it may have been a drunken, crazed moment for them both? That this was all for the 'makeup sex'? Now you don't want to be 'on the outside looking in'? For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing that on? Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ did not throw the punch. Neither the NFL nor the Ravens threw the punch. Ray Rice did. And attempting to blame any other entity besides Ray Rice for the fallout for his actions is pathetic. When you thought she was 'looking for trouble' you had no problem passing judgement on her and her actions, but now that it appears that he was the instigator, we need to hold off judgement. And you were complaining about a double standard. This just goes to show how much of a misogynist you really are. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rick Faircloth <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't think any of us can make draw any conclusions without complete > knowledge > of their long-term past relationship and this recent revelation. We > can't know whether > this is just a drunken, crazed moment for them both, or whether there > more to it. > > Maybe the woman is suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome." It's also > possible that > she's just someone for whom this wasn't a big deal. Perhaps they beat on > each other > for awhile then enjoy the "makeup sex" that ensues. I know that sounds > crazy, but > there are all different types of people in this world. It's hard to > judge people's lives > when I don't walk in their shoes in circumstances like these. As odd as > it seems, > the fiance apparently got over the event. > > Like has been expressed previous on this forum, I just hate to know that > their lives > have been destroyed when, apparently, they had gotten past the incident > and moved > on. Now the video shows up and all hell breaks loose for them. What > they've built > together since now is in ruins. > > TMZ should be held liable for using this video for their own enrichment, > without > regard for the consequences concerning the lives TMZ, themselves, abuse for > their own gain. > > It's just a difficult situation to understand and even more difficult to > discuss > from the outside looking in. > > > On 9/10/2014 8:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the > > altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for > > trouble'? > > > > > http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> They *both* were victims of assault. > >> > >> If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray > >> Rice, and did the > >> same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she > >> be charged with assault? > >> > >> Of course she should. > >> > >> The both did things that were wrong. > >> > >> > >> On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving > >> you > >>> to much credit. > >>> > >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would > >>> ever consider. > >>> > >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > thread > >>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > >>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It > >> just > >>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > >>> apparently, I am not the only one. > >>> > >>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve > being > >>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > >> danger. > >>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as > the > >>> victim? > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > >>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility > >> for > >>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? > >>>> > >>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, > >>>> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and > >> they > >>>> had a stronger case against him. > >>>> > >>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later > >> dropped. > >>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. > >>>>> > >>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys > >>>> think > >>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372510 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
