As if anyone else has any proof of their perspective...
On 9/10/2014 9:40 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > " And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out > AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she > had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight." > > Proof? You can claim that all you like, but unless you have proof of that > it is just you rambling on. You are also on the outside looking in and > claiming special knowledge oh mighty kettle... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:25 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ray Rice > > > Bull, Eric. > > Being a public figure is not Eric's doing; it's the public's! No one asked > to make him to be a role model! Thousands of people make money off of Eric; > some millions. > Just because he becomes a role model (when he shouldn't) doesn't make > anything he does more or less worse than any other person. > > And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out > AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she > had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight. > > Just go ahead a join the chorus of those who know best from the outside > looking in and destroy the lives of these people because mistakes were make > on both their parts. > > PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have > ended it in the way he did. > > I tried to unsubscribe on the House of Fusion site last night because being > part of this discussion, and others, is a waste of time and non-productive. > Apparently, the unsubscribe > didn't take. > > This is all ridiculous. > > > On 9/10/2014 8:53 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: >> Not when you are a public figure. He makes money by being in the > spotlight. >> If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on >> with this argument. But this guy is a public figure and shit like >> this comes with the job. If you do something in public, it get >> publicized. If that is not what he wants, then he should get a >> regular job like the rest of us schleps. >> >> I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or >> girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I >> was at them and no matter what they did to me. I have even been told >> I have anger issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever. So >> no...that is not normal. I don't know what twisted world you live in >> where that is normal, but if that is, then I don't know what to say. >> Using violence against someone is inexcusable. It was inexcusable >> when she did it and it was inexcusable when he did it. It doesn't matter > if she hit him first or not. >> I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to >> the info prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why >> charges against her were dropped. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vivec [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Ray Rice >> >> >> Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. >> And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. >> SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you >> live in if you have never seen this happen? >> >> It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, >> or anything of the sort. >> There is a difference. >> >> I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she >> grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced >> after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. >> >> Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do >> gooders , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her >> alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said >> that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working >> them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and > their family. >> But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make >> decisions, or take responsibility for their actions. >> This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the >> world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave >> since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the > state to care for her. >> I find that offensive. >> Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no >> one does. >> >> No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. >> She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their >> situation has been exploited. >> >> If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken >> to her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. >> If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image >> they could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained >> professionals, to find out what the hell was going on with its player and > his family life. >> No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. >> This is about money at this point. >> >> And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the > woman. >> It isn't. It never was. >> >> TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband >> and wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. >> >> Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights >> movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for >> many people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves " >> Yes..Justice has been done" Or " At least this poor woman won't go >> through what I went through" (nevermind they have no damned clue if >> she's going through anything at all). >> >> Ridiculous. >> >> On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't >>> assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially >>> saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she >>> stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have >> happened, right Rick? >>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth >>> <[email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S >>>> action have consequences. >>>> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are >>>> never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in >>>> the world" feminism. >>>> >>>> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never >>>> would have struck back. >>>> >>>> That's a safe bet that I'll take. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that >>>> punching >>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the >>>>> situation. >>>>> >>>>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one >>> else. >>>>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these >>>>> professional athletes realize that. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a >>>> couple >>>>>> that had problems, >>>>>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things >>>>>> out, >>>> and >>>>>> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> What would you say then? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he >>>> decided >>>>>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch >>>>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of >>> someone >>>>>> who >>>>>>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in >>>>>>> her >>>> death >>>>>>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest >>>>>>> red >>>>>> flag >>>>>>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for >>>>>>> the >>>>>> person >>>>>>> who the the punch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed >>>>>>> to >>>> get a >>>>>>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their >>>>>>> state >>>> of >>>>>>> mind is/was. >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. >>>>>>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that >>>>>>>> A) his actions were disproportionate >>>>>>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults >>>>>>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. >>>>>>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the >>>>>>>> couple or >>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> situation >>>>>>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of >>>>>>>> domestic >>>>>>> violence >>>>>>>> at all. >>>>>>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that >>>>>> couple's >>>>>>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they >>>>>>>> were probably both very drunk. >>>>>>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire >>>>>>>> situation >>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be viewed objectively. >>>>>>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing >>>>>> happened >>>>>>>> from February to now... >>>>>>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live >>> their >>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> to look after her. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They >>>> haven't >>>>>>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. >>>>>>>> They have destroyed a family. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come >>>>>>>> out >>>> and >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. >>>>>>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I >>>>>>>>> am >>>>>> giving >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> to much credit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something >>>>>>>>> Rick >>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> ever consider. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this >>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>> thread >>>>>>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, >>>>>>>>> I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on >> Facebook. >>>>>> It >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years >>>>>>>>> - apparently, I am not the only one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to >>>>>>>>> deserve >>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> danger. >>>>>>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting >>>>>>>>> him >>> as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> victim? >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? >>>>>>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take >>>>>> responsibility >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, >>>>>>>>>> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to >>>>>>>>>> prosecute, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> had a stronger case against him. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were >>>>>>>>>>> later >>>>>>>>> dropped. >>>>>>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372354 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
