The fact that you view this incident as a 'disagreement' is deeply disturbing to me. He punched her in the face - that is more than a 'disagreement'.
The only person who said women are like 12 years old children was you. Have you ever dealt with someone who was abused (sexually, physically or emotionally)? (My guess would be 'no' ) They are so frightened of, or traumatized by, their abusers that they almost act like children. They defend the person's actions and even blame themselves and everyone else but the person who committed the abuse. Sound familiar? Sadly, the only way you will see that you are on the wrong side of this argument is if (or when) she ends up in the hospital or in the morgue - even then, I am not so sure. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: > > Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. > And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. > SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live > in if you have never seen this happen? > > It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or > anything of the sort. > There is a difference. > > I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she > grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after > his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. > > Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders > , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her alone, she > isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and > Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all > the public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. > > But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or > take responsibility for their actions. > This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to > tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have > all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for > her. > > I find that offensive. > Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one > does. > > No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. > She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation > has been exploited. > > If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to > her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. > If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they > could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to > find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life. > > No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This > is about money at this point. > > And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman. > It isn't. It never was. > > TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and > wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. > > Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights > movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for many > people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves " > Yes..Justice has been done" Or " At least this poor woman won't go through > what I went through" (nevermind they have no damned clue if she's going > through anything at all). > > Ridiculous. > > On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted > > him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > > deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the > kitchen > > making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > > > action have consequences. > > > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never > > > at fault for > > > anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. > > > > > > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > > > would have struck back. > > > > > > That's a safe bet that I'll take. > > > > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > > > punching > > > > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one > > else. > > > > > > > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these > professional > > > > athletes realize that. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > > > >> > > > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > > > couple > > > >> that had problems, > > > >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things > out, > > > and > > > >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > > > >> > > > >> What would you say then? > > > >> > > > >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > > > decided > > > >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > > > >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. > > > >>> > > > >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of > > someone > > > >> who > > > >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > > > death > > > >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest > red > > > >> flag > > > >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > > > >> person > > > >>> who the the punch. > > > >>> > > > >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to > > > get a > > > >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their > state > > > of > > > >>> mind is/was. > > > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. > > > >>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > > > >>>> A) his actions were disproportionate > > > >>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults > > > >>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. > > > >>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple > or > > > >>> their > > > >>>> situation > > > >>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > > > >>> violence > > > >>>> at all. > > > >>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > > > >> couple's > > > >>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they > were > > > >>>> probably both very drunk. > > > >>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation > > > needs > > > >>> to > > > >>>> be viewed objectively. > > > >>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing > > > >> happened > > > >>>> from February to now... > > > >>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live > > their > > > >>>> life. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that > know > > > >>> better > > > >>>> to look after her. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They > > > haven't > > > >>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. > > > >>>> They have destroyed a family. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come > out > > > and > > > >>> we > > > >>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. > > > >>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he > was > > > >>> always > > > >>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am > > > >> giving > > > >>>> you > > > >>>>> to much credit. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick > > > >> would > > > >>>>> ever consider. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this > whole > > > >>> thread > > > >>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I > am > > > >>>>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on > Facebook. > > > >> It > > > >>>> just > > > >>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > > > >>>>> apparently, I am not the only one. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to > deserve > > > >>> being > > > >>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never > in > > > >>>> danger. > > > >>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting > him > > as > > > >>> the > > > >>>>> victim? > > > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > > > >>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take > > > >> responsibility > > > >>>> for > > > >>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, > > > >>>>>> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to > prosecute, > > > >>> and > > > >>>>> they > > > >>>>>> had a stronger case against him. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were > later > > > >>>>> dropped. > > > >>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you > > > >>> guys > > > >>>>>> think > > > >>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372342 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
