You know though, I do have a problem with "manners" for the sake of some
antiquated set of rules that really don't apply.

IMHO manners are about being NICE and being COURTEOUS to other people.
Wearing a hat during dinner at McDonalds isn't not nice, or rude to anyone,
it doesn't hurt anyones feelings.  Nor does using the wrong fork at dinner.

Slamming a door in someones face IS about "niceness".

I guess I feel manners for the sake of manners is phony and silly while
manners for the sake of kindness to others is worth a great deal of effort.

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