Desperation? That's total BS. Most of the suicide scum have been from the 'middle class' and higher, not someone who is desperate to fight back. These are people who were offered just about everything and they refused it again and again because it wasn't exactly what they wanted; the entire region. Have you looked at what Hamas has been saying? They don't care about peace, they just want blood. Fatah? Hizballah? All of them are the same. When the Jews show that they are willing to give in, kill them and they will give more (and more and more). What sane people would allow this to go on and on before they just hunt down and kill an entire town that's aligned with Hamas? America did it. Russia did it. Just about every country on earth did it. Every country but Israel. They go in and go house to house rather than just hitting the houses from the air. The result was a ton of israeli soldiers killed and a world condemnation about a "massacre". Even when the UN determined that a massacre never happened, the Arabs bring it forward as a claim. Before Arafat started his "intifata 2" (which his own people have stated publically was planned) there was a strong movement towards peace. No killing, commerce, interaction and more. There was a move towards normalization. But then Arafat refused the world (i.e. the best offer he would ever get) and started this. If anyone is desperate, its Israel. They just keep that killer around, offer him peace again and again and he just smiles and says "what can I do?" He can live up to his signed agreements and stop this. Or step aside for someone who can.
> Any sane person can agree that suicide bombing is hideous, and I am sure the > bombers themselves can aswell. The question is, what drives people to do > this? > > My answer is desperation. If there was no other way, anything goes. > > Believe me. Let me drive the point in. If somehow, Iraq got control of the > US, and forced us to be second class citizens, our children are dying, and > we hardly have any military weapons, a couple of us guys would band together > to destroy them in any way. Even suicide bombing Iraq. And then we'd be > praising and calling him courageous and selfless. But we would do 2 things very differently. We would not sacrifice ourselves unless we had to and we would not kill women and children eating pizza or people going to work in the morning. We'd destroy the millitary but not the innocent. That's the problem, no Israeli is innocent according to Hamas and their ilk. > Come on, nobody is anymore different. All of us can be driven into > desperation. Ever read Lord of the Flies? Nice book, but very far from the truth of the situation. As with all of your examples below, they are fictionalized events with very little truth in them. Would someone sacrifice themselves to save others? Yes. Would they do so to kill people like you and me (more me than you really)? Not really. So your saying that every other people that are 'occupied' should be suicide bombers? That's interesting as it hasn't happened anywhere else. There are a dozen or more peoples that are living under the area of influence of another nation that have not resorted to this. > Ever watched the Pearl Harbor movie and how they agreed to go on a suicide > mission at the end? > Ever watched Armageddon and bruce Willis agreed to stay and blow up the > asteroid? > Ever watched Independence Day and how that old guy drove his fighter jet > into the alien ship because his missiles won't launch? > > They're all suicide bombers. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:08 PM > Subject: gaza et al > > > > can somebody tell me why? > > > > the Palestinians and doing what they are doing according to the media ( > which is disgraceful before anyone jumps on me) because of the Irazeli > occupation of the gaza strip > > obtained during the 6 day war(please feel free to correct me if i am > wrong) > > > > I'm fairly ignorant about the situation there (as i have said before), so > why don't the Israeli's move out of that area and stop the conflict, if for > nothing else the safety of their people, its obvious by now that the > Palestinians will never stop? > > > > Also what is the deal between Israel and america (there is obviously > something going on)? > > > > In the same way there is something going on between the US and the UK (the > way the UK follows the US regardless of policy is disgracecful in my > opinion),is it just to bolster the UK's position with Europe? > > > > > > Any opinions to all my questions, would be greatly recieved > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > Mark Smyth > > Certified Coldfusion Developer > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
