De ja vu?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:02 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: My last CF site?
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com]
> > Sent: 04 November 2002 21:34
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: My last CF site?
> >
> >
> > It sounds like what you were saying is that lower-cost
> > options have become more attractive to you in a smaller-scale
> > setting, and you don't feel like we're addressing that shift,
> > but instead developing more support for enterprise uses of CF.
> >
> > Did I get the gist right?
> >
> > -Vern
>
> Pretty much, I suppose you could say that CF has lost it's
> traditional advantages of fast dev time, community support
> etc. and up against a free product it's a no brainer. PHPs
> major drawback was the lack of a good editor, there seem to
> be a few OK ones about now though (although nothing to
> compare with CF Studio), ironically DWMX seems to be as good
> as it gets for PHP at the moment.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:55 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: My last CF site?
> >
> >
> > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com]
> > > Hey Wayne,
> > >
> > > We dropped the price of CFMX Pro from CF 5 Pro. Enterprise &
> > > subscription did go up by $4, but I doubt you're
> referring to that.
> > >
> > > We certainly are trying to bolster the enterprise market
> by offering
> > > CFMX on J2EE, but that's not really a move away from
> anything, it's
> > > adding to.
> > >
> > > Did I missunderstand, or can you elaborate on your
> perception a bit?
> >
> > Well the first part of my post is fairly simple, I tend to
> > work as a contract developer for various design houses in my
> > area, they no longer use CF as they are moving to PHP - if I
> > want the work I have to follow. There are still two CF shops
> > around here but they concentrate on the "big sites" and have
> > development teams of 10 or more people.
> >
> > The other type of work I do are sites for smaller companies,
> > for these I do everything from initial design to search
> > engine submission. The usual budget is 2-5k for a fairly
> > straightforward dynamic site. Now it doesn't matter to me how
> > brilliant web services or flash integration etc. are, my
> > customers don't need it and they certainly can't afford it.
> >
> > The fact is I can offer them more for the same money by using
> > PHP, it doesn't take any longer to code once you are used to
> > it and there is a far wider selection of excellent quality
> > free code out there I can use compared to CF.
> >
> > Hosting is another issue, I can get a dedicated server for
> > �35 a month set up with Linux/Apache/MySql/PHP, to use CF I
> > have to upgrade the server and spend a not inconsiderable
> > amount on software. No contest.
> >
> > I am sad about it, I was converted to CF by Mr Forte himself
> > at a conference when version 3 came out, I have done dozens
> > of sites in CF but I find it harder and harder to justify
> > using it - even to myself.
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:58 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: My last CF site?
> > >
> > >
> > > I fear that I may have coded my last CF site, all the work in my
> > > area seems to be moving towards PHP - and much as I love
> CF I have
> > > to pay the bills. The other problem is that MM seem to be
> moving CF
> > > towards the expensive enterprise sites rather than the small
> > > companies that are my usual customers, even the faster
> development
> > > time/cost for CF argument no longer really applies as you
> can code
> > > (or should that read
> > > Drag'n'Drop) PHP as quickly as CF in DWMX.
> > >
> > > On the bright side PHP is nothing like as bad as I
> imagined it would
> > > be, I particularly like using the Object oriented stuff to reuse
> > > code.
> > >
> > > But the important thing is - will I have to stop reading the CF
> > > Community list?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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