> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com] > > Hmm, I'm not sure I'd agree with some of your points > regarding lost advantages, I don't use PHP myself, but I > haven't heard others confirm your feeling that PHP is as > quickly learned and effectively used as CF, and I can't speak > to PHP community support - but the CF community support is huge!
I didn't mean that CF has lost anything, rather that some of the competition has caught up with it. I was playing Devils Advocate a little. ;) Learning PHP can be easy or difficult depending on your experience I suppose, CF is certainly easier if you don't have a programming background and it is also much easier to read for your average designer. > *HOWEVER* I'm not trying to taunt you into a debate! =) > Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, it's good to know > what's on your mind! > > -Vern > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:02 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: My last CF site? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com] > > Sent: 04 November 2002 21:34 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: My last CF site? > > > > > > It sounds like what you were saying is that lower-cost > > options have become more attractive to you in a smaller-scale > > setting, and you don't feel like we're addressing that shift, > > but instead developing more support for enterprise uses of CF. > > > > Did I get the gist right? > > > > -Vern > > Pretty much, I suppose you could say that CF has lost it's > traditional advantages of fast dev time, community support > etc. and up against a free product it's a no brainer. PHPs > major drawback was the lack of a good editor, there seem to > be a few OK ones about now though (although nothing to > compare with CF Studio), ironically DWMX seems to be as good > as it gets for PHP at the moment. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk] > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:55 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: My last CF site? > > > > > > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com] > > > Hey Wayne, > > > > > > We dropped the price of CFMX Pro from CF 5 Pro. Enterprise & > > > subscription did go up by $4, but I doubt you're > referring to that. > > > > > > We certainly are trying to bolster the enterprise market > by offering > > > CFMX on J2EE, but that's not really a move away from > anything, it's > > > adding to. > > > > > > Did I missunderstand, or can you elaborate on your > perception a bit? > > > > Well the first part of my post is fairly simple, I tend to > > work as a contract developer for various design houses in my > > area, they no longer use CF as they are moving to PHP - if I > > want the work I have to follow. There are still two CF shops > > around here but they concentrate on the "big sites" and have > > development teams of 10 or more people. > > > > The other type of work I do are sites for smaller companies, > > for these I do everything from initial design to search > > engine submission. The usual budget is 2-5k for a fairly > > straightforward dynamic site. Now it doesn't matter to me how > > brilliant web services or flash integration etc. are, my > > customers don't need it and they certainly can't afford it. > > > > The fact is I can offer them more for the same money by using > > PHP, it doesn't take any longer to code once you are used to > > it and there is a far wider selection of excellent quality > > free code out there I can use compared to CF. > > > > Hosting is another issue, I can get a dedicated server for > > �35 a month set up with Linux/Apache/MySql/PHP, to use CF I > > have to upgrade the server and spend a not inconsiderable > > amount on software. No contest. > > > > I am sad about it, I was converted to CF by Mr Forte himself > > at a conference when version 3 came out, I have done dozens > > of sites in CF but I find it harder and harder to justify > > using it - even to myself. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk] > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:58 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: My last CF site? > > > > > > > > > I fear that I may have coded my last CF site, all the work in my > > > area seems to be moving towards PHP - and much as I love > CF I have > > > to pay the bills. The other problem is that MM seem to be > moving CF > > > towards the expensive enterprise sites rather than the small > > > companies that are my usual customers, even the faster > development > > > time/cost for CF argument no longer really applies as you > can code > > > (or should that read > > > Drag'n'Drop) PHP as quickly as CF in DWMX. > > > > > > On the bright side PHP is nothing like as bad as I > imagined it would > > > be, I particularly like using the Object oriented stuff to reuse > > > code. > > > > > > But the important thing is - will I have to stop reading the CF > > > Community list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
