Hmm, I'm not sure I'd agree with some of your points regarding lost advantages, I don't use PHP myself, but I haven't heard others confirm your feeling that PHP is as quickly learned and effectively used as CF, and I can't speak to PHP community support - but the CF community support is huge!
*HOWEVER* I'm not trying to taunt you into a debate! =) Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, it's good to know what's on your mind! -Vern -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:02 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: My last CF site? > -----Original Message----- > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com] > Sent: 04 November 2002 21:34 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: My last CF site? > > > It sounds like what you were saying is that lower-cost > options have become more attractive to you in a smaller-scale > setting, and you don't feel like we're addressing that shift, > but instead developing more support for enterprise uses of CF. > > Did I get the gist right? > > -Vern Pretty much, I suppose you could say that CF has lost it's traditional advantages of fast dev time, community support etc. and up against a free product it's a no brainer. PHPs major drawback was the lack of a good editor, there seem to be a few OK ones about now though (although nothing to compare with CF Studio), ironically DWMX seems to be as good as it gets for PHP at the moment. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:55 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: My last CF site? > > > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe@;macromedia.com] > > Hey Wayne, > > > > We dropped the price of CFMX Pro from CF 5 Pro. Enterprise & > > subscription did go up by $4, but I doubt you're referring to that. > > > > We certainly are trying to bolster the enterprise market by > > offering CFMX on J2EE, but that's not really a move away from > > anything, it's adding to. > > > > Did I missunderstand, or can you elaborate on your perception a bit? > > Well the first part of my post is fairly simple, I tend to > work as a contract developer for various design houses in my > area, they no longer use CF as they are moving to PHP - if I > want the work I have to follow. There are still two CF shops > around here but they concentrate on the "big sites" and have > development teams of 10 or more people. > > The other type of work I do are sites for smaller companies, > for these I do everything from initial design to search > engine submission. The usual budget is 2-5k for a fairly > straightforward dynamic site. Now it doesn't matter to me how > brilliant web services or flash integration etc. are, my > customers don't need it and they certainly can't afford it. > > The fact is I can offer them more for the same money by using > PHP, it doesn't take any longer to code once you are used to > it and there is a far wider selection of excellent quality > free code out there I can use compared to CF. > > Hosting is another issue, I can get a dedicated server for > �35 a month set up with Linux/Apache/MySql/PHP, to use CF I > have to upgrade the server and spend a not inconsiderable > amount on software. No contest. > > I am sad about it, I was converted to CF by Mr Forte himself > at a conference when version 3 came out, I have done dozens > of sites in CF but I find it harder and harder to justify > using it - even to myself. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:wayne@;welshnet.co.uk] > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:58 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: My last CF site? > > > > > > I fear that I may have coded my last CF site, all the work in > > my area seems to be moving towards PHP - and much as I love > > CF I have to pay the bills. The other problem is that MM seem > > to be moving CF towards the expensive enterprise sites rather > > than the small companies that are my usual customers, even > > the faster development time/cost for CF argument no longer > > really applies as you can code (or should that read > > Drag'n'Drop) PHP as quickly as CF in DWMX. > > > > On the bright side PHP is nothing like as bad as I imagined > > it would be, I particularly like using the Object oriented > > stuff to reuse code. > > > > But the important thing is - will I have to stop reading the > > CF Community list? > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
