> Most of what you are talking about is not a function of ASP.NET, 
> but of
> editors such as Visual Studio.NET.

Uh, no it's not.  I've written all this code using CFStudio/notepad.

> Don't mistake the tools for the platform.

I never do.

> MS introduced things to web developers that they had never really used
> (I speak broadly here, don't be offended). People were not 
> familiar with
> separating code from interface; it seems fast and easy to do it that
> way. And for small applications it may be.
> 
> I get in this "one thing is better than the other" argument all 
> the time
> with people. Before you can claim one is better than the other, first
> look at where the pros come from, is it from the platform or from the
> tools? If it is from the tools that just means somebody took some time
> and developed some things for you to use with their platform.
> 
> Don't confuse the two, because they are not the same.

To reiterate: It's not from the tools.  EVERYTHING I've mentioned is easily writable 
using your favourite text editor.

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:01 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against 
> Java> 
> > Well, you can still use COM, and it won't break for strange reasons,
> such
> > as in CF.
> > 
> > Although CFMX's CFCs are good, and having Web Services are even
> better,
> > there's still problems with datatypes that CFMX has trouble 
> with.  Not
> to
> > mention custom datatypes.  Is everything in CF going to have to 
> be a
> > structure?  Gawd, I'd just like to have a freaking hashtable in CF.
> > 
> > ASP.NET has the very convenient events when a page is loaded, etc.
> You
> > can therefore place most, if not all, your logic at the top of the
> page.
> > I know you can hack this in CFMX using <cfsavecontent>, but it's 
> nicein
> > ASP.NET in that MS has acknowledged that, yes, it's nice to have 
> your> logic in one place and here's a way for you to do it.
> > 
> > Also, you can pretty well write all your display code using 
> built-in
> > server side code.  This is more akin to traditional development -
> I
> don't
> > literally write options in a select box in Java Swing, for example.
> But
> > this is what happens on the web.
> > 
> > Furthermore, let's talk about the built-in functionality that 
> ASP.NEThas.
> > One of the biggest (if not the biggest) feature about CF is how
> "built-in"
> > a lot of stuff is.  So now that ASP.NET has a bunch of built-in 
> stuff,why
> > is that suddenly considered a con?
> > 
> > And, you know when a user's session is terminated in ASP.NET.  CFMX
> > _still_ doesn't have this.
> 
> 
> 
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