Jim,
What are your feelings on the treaties signed by Iraq at the end of the Gulf war
agreeing to voluntarily disarm, get rid of all WMD, other weaponry (such as long range
missiles)?
Should the Iraqis be held to these agreements?
What should be the penalties for not upholding them?
What about their obligations to the world community?
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/18/03 01:05PM >>>
> Crew, sorry to keep this going but I cant let this go by.
> Jim, Lets take this point by point.
>
> <you>
> Germany and it's allies were in a position to militarily,
> technologically and economically control much (perhaps all)
> of Europe and significant areas of Asia and Africa as well.
> Saddam is barely capable of posing a significant threat to
> his neighbors (who, if attacked would receive immediate UN
> military aide). </you> <me> Well, lets see. Hes got a decent
> sized army. Admittedly,it was much reduced ten years ago but
> that was ten years ago. hes had lots of time to rebuild it.
> I think its been proven that he has large amounts of chemical
> weapons and missiles that can deliver them to at least a
> hundred miles. So, I cant consider him insignificant even to
> our force that is currently massing over there. </me>
His army is pitiful. Truly, truly pitiful... At least compared to ours.
Yes it's large by world standards but there are only a handful of
countries that actually maintain a standing army so "large" is
incredibly relative.
I've seen no evidence proving he has large amounts of anything. The
actual numbers I hear all in single digits ("six SCUDs", "three casing
capable of chemical delivery", etc). There's some circumstantial
evidence, but no proof at all.
> <you>
> Germany and it's allies were actively engaged in a
> (succesful) war of conquest with obvious and active plans for
> further expansion. Iraq is not actively engaging in conquest
> (again, if they start there is every reason to go to war).
> </you> <me> if he thought he could get away with it, hed be
> at it again. </me>
This is just a ridiculous statement. What he would do has no bearing on
the case - what he is doing does. What are we playing "Minority Report"
politics now?
Still we have regulary ignored similar expanistic actions in Africa and
southeast Asia... Why focus on this one and not others?
> <you>
> Germany was actively engaged in genocidal practices. They
> continued these practices as long as they possibly could.
> Iraq is not currently engaged in such practices. </you> <me>
> do you know who the kurds are? ask them if they havent been
> the subject of constant chemical agent attacks over the past
> 10-15 years. </me>
I did - they said "No". I can find no evidence that these practices
have continued for the past 10 years (under sanctions). Again, should
it come to light (using a little thing we like to call "evidence") that
such practices are continuing it would strengthen the case for war.
Although again, there are documented cases of this in Southeast asia and
Africa that are going ignored or being met with diplomacy. What not
this one?
> <you>
> Germany and it's allies were actively engaged in
> ground-breaking research to improve their war machines.
> Research that, if it were allowed to continue, would have
> shifted the balance of power perhaps uncontrollably. This
> included ballistic missiles, jet fighters, atomic weapons and
> so on. Iraq may be engaged in such research but nothing
> indicates that it could lead to as striking a balance of
> power (and, at worst such a shift would be localized rather
> than global). </you> <me> the new weapons of choice are dirty
> bombs and chemical agents. Hes working his ass off to make
> them. he has more experience deploying chemical weapons on
> live targets than anyone in the world. </me>
Again there is no PROOF that this is the case. Also none of the weapons
mentioned would, or could change the global balance of power as
ballistic missiles or jet fighter technology could have.
As I said the differences are in degree, not in kind, but the degree is
enormous. Too enormous, I think, for any reasonable comparisons to be
made.
Jim Davis
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