NO. Not even in the ballpark on either question. What I am saying is that I believe that the only way to overcome the past is to move past it. Those people/conflicts with long memories appear to me to last way to long. How long have the Irish and British been enjoying each others' company? How effective has this collective memory been in resolving the issues? How many new deaths have occurred to compensate for deaths that were to compensate for deaths?
Now, I will admit that I am very luck to not have had a personal family member or friend involved with in such an incident. And I do agree that this sort of memory is a human trait. We have a lot of bad traits, many of which have been discussion topics of this list. I just do not understand how collective memory that is used to perpetrate hatred is beneficial in the long run. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:15 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Empire-Building Andy, Are you saying the people who are coming and blowing up Jews (really Israelis) are doing it for good reason? Or that Israelis have a good reason to distrust those coming to blow them up? Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/26/03 12:14PM >>> For good reason. For what is happening today. and in the recent past, say 20-30 years..... OK, I gotta get back to work. This memory thing is a personal soap-box of mine. Peace. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:54 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Empire-Building LOL i would say Jews distrust of people who come and try to blow them up.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Empire-Building Do Jews still distrust/hate Egyptians because of the need for the Exodus? That is the context for my comment. If so, then yes, I'd so move on, get over with it. How does continuing the hatred through repetition of the event help? -----Original Message----- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:23 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Empire-Building ROTFLOL! That's a funny comment. Well, we got a good deal of it out in 1917, and you're right, centuries of oppression really means nothing to us today (as long as you can overlook what actually happened, the horror of which words cannot describe, and not tie them into present inequities which can be viewed as a direct result of what occured). It's probably time to forget and just be friends, and I really do think that's what's happening anyways ;^) You have an interesting view on history. If all it should be used for is to inspire new action, what would be the purpose of Exodus? Should we forget how cruel Pharoah was, and just say Moses did a good job? For some reason, I think our memories have more value than that... M -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:07 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Empire-Building This seems to be one of the issues in many countries. This long memory for past atrocities leads to present and future atrocities. At what point in time do you need to just get over it? Move on. You can not change the past, only use it to prevent repeating it. Andy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
