To go back to what I was saying before, you have to make it clear to New
Atlanta that you'll still be crowing about MM products that do things that
BD can't do -- and that includes CFMX, Contribute, Flash Remoting, Flashcom,
and now Central (which looks cool).
At the same time, you need to get with MM and discuss how this will affect
your relationship. You need to assure them that you will be still touting
all the cool things that they and only they are doing, and remind them of
how influential you are in the CF community (you are, if you hadn't already
figured it out).
And you aren't really a coward. Cowards would not have the place in the
community that you do. Cowards don't create live broadcasts of events and
put themselves out there for the world to see and judge. Cowards don't even
openly discuss changes in tactics.
So, IMHO, this is a time for you to evaluate your goals and demand the
things that will help you achieve those goals.
BTW -- that thing about being seen and judged? You have been seen. You
have been judged. You have been deemed worthy. This list and the others
that you publish (and especially CF-Talk) prove this.
-- Ben Doom
Programmer & General Lackey
Moonbow Software, Inc
: -----Original Message-----
: From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:56 PM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: Re: dilemma (was RE: Email looks funny)
:
:
: The problem is that I'm a coward. We've built up a lot of good
: will with MM and
: it's gotten us advanced info for FA and other things I can't
: mention (yes, there
: is support from MM). Will I still have the trust when I'm 'working for a
: competitor? Will I still get what I had to support the community.
: You don't know
: how useful it is to know about something like Central a week
: before it goes live
: so we can have an article about it on time for its release (or
: about, Judith has
: been 'out' for a bit).
:
:
: > Go with BD. I would think that from a business standpoint, Macromedia
: > would recognize your value to the CF Community and attempt to keep you
: > using CFMX. Use the leverage that BD has provided you. It's business.
: >
: > Matthew Small
: > IT Supervisor
: > Showstopper National Dance Competitions
: > 3660 Old Kings Hwy
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: > 843-357-1847
: > http://www.showstopperonline.com
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:16 PM
: > To: CF-Community
: > Subject: Re: dilemma (was RE: Email looks funny)
: >
: > They're really not as bad as one may think. Problem is, I can't talk
: > about parts
: > of it. There is good there and while it doesn't pay the bills, it is
: > good will.
: > I'd hate to lose that.
: >
: > > dude worry about money and providing before you care about what MM
: > thinks
: > > about everything.
: > > They haven't done jack for you except given you a spiffy title of team
: > > Macromedia. Its just a title you get anything from it for free?
: > Software?
: > > support? if not take what pays your bills
: > >
: > >
: > > ----- Original Message -----
: > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:55 AM
: > > Subject: Re: dilemma (was RE: Email looks funny)
: > >
: > >
: > > Your totally correct that I'm community oriented and I do support BD
: > as a CF
: > > based product. The problem is really political. If I accept New
: > Atlanta's
: > > offer
: > > for the HoF site, then it'll cause bad feelings with some people (who,
: > I
: > > don't
: > > know but it will) at Macromedia. This can and probably will affect
: > things
: > > such
: > > as my standing as a Team Macromedia member and other things that I
: > have with
: > > MM
: > > (such as interview access and alpha/beta privileges).
: > > The choice is basically one of cash/BD on one hand and MM/core CF on
: > the
: > > other.
: > > I know for certain that MM is not looking to hire me, fund me or
: > support me
: > > in
: > > any direct way. It's just not what they do. I also know for certain
: > that NA
: > > IS
: > > willing to fund me to an extent. I've offered both companies the
: > option to
: > > fund
: > > different community projects like forums, blog software, etc. and NA
: > was the
: > > one
: > > to 'bite'.
: > > Judith and I had an argument last night about FA and it was almost
: > closed
: > > down
: > > (time, money, effort, etc.) There's so much that I want to do, so much
: > to
: > > keep
: > > doing and so much that's backlogged. A cash flow to support myself and
: > the
: > > community would help greatly and that's basically what NA has offered
: > (I
: > > have to
: > > nail it down, but....)
: > > It's all bound together. I'm sticking with the 'sure thing' at the
: > moment,
: > > but....
: > >
: > >
: > > > What follows is me sticking my nose where it probably doesn't
: > belong.
: > > Feel
: > > > free to ignore this post.
: > > >
: > > > <cf_nosesticking>
: > > >
: > > > Having not been here, that long, I don't know what kind of treatment
: > > you've
: > > > gotten from Macromedia in the past. I don't know the politics of
: > what's
: > > > going on between you and MM now. I'm not sure I want to know (but
: > if you
: > > > feel like griping, I'll listen).
: > > >
: > > > From what I've seen over the last few months, you seem more
: > > > community-oriented than necessarily company-oriented. Which, to me,
: > begs
: > > > the question of whether you are or should be a MM ColdFusion
: > evangelist, a
: > > > BD evangelist, or simply an evangelist of CFML generically. Maybe
: > it's
: > > time
: > > > to broaden your horizons, so to speak. For example, you could try
: > to cut
: > > a
: > > > deal with New Atlanta such that you can speak favorably about how BD
: > > stands
: > > > up to MM's server, but at the same time point out that if you need
: > (for
: > > > example) 2-way video communication, CFMX with Flashcom is the way to
: > go.
: > > >
: > > > I guess part of me expects that you will find a way to point out the
: > good
: > > > and bad in each product you come across, because I see you as a
: > fairly
: > > > honest, even handed guy (when you're not using corpses to draft
: > letters).
: > > I
: > > > guess that makes me want to look for a way you can have your
: > community
: > > cake
: > > > and eat it, too.
: > > >
: > > > </cf_nosesticking>
: > > >
: > > >
: > > > -- Ben Doom
: > > > Programmer & General Lackey
: > > > Moonbow Software, Inc
: > > >
: > > > : -----Original Message-----
: > > > : From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: > > > : Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:22 AM
: > > > : To: CF-Community
: > > > : Subject: Re: Email looks funny
: > > > :
: > > > :
: > > > : > Mike, sorry to hear about whatever is bothering you so badly
: > > > : that it has you
: > > > : > this down.
: > > > : Thanks. It'll be ok.
: > > > :
: > > > : > Does this have anything to do with Microsoft finally making the
: > > > : bid on MM
: > > > : > that was reported on CNN? If you know something the rest of us
: > > > : don't, please
: > > > : > share.
: > > > : One part of me hopes this is a joke while another hopes its true.
: > > > : If its true,
: > > > : then I'll have no moral qualms about going to New Atlanta and
: > > > : offering to the
: > > > : their BD evangelist. They once asked me flat out what I wanted to
: > > > : move HoF to
: > > > : BD. I didn't want to do it as I'm still trying to rebuild my
: > > > : relationship with
: > > > : MM but if MS owns MM then no prob.
: > > > : Ah, to do community stuff for cash. Tempting. Really tempting
: > (even
: > > now).
: > > > :
: > > > : > M
: > > > : >
: > > > : > -----Original Message-----
: > > > : > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: > > > : > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:38 AM
: > > > : > To: CF-Community
: > > > : > Subject: Re: Email looks funny
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > : > I'm pissed, depressed and just not really a happy camper. A
: > > > : prank for me at
: > > > : > the moment would involve dead bodies arraigned to spell
: > something out.
: > > > : > Something really long. Plus I'm really not a big fan of April
: > fools
: > > day.
: > > > : >
: > > > : >
: > > > :
: > > >
: > >
: > >
: >
: >
:
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