::nod:: I haven't researched it much but it might be better to set visa levels to soemthgn realistic if we need them so bad.
William Wheatley writes: > I think people give them too much credit. IT will limp along, now if its all > illegal immigrants driving the 18 wheelers i'll say ok the economy will > stop. The truckers are the viens of our economy. But i think if we take out > any major piece of our economy JINGA puzzle that we'll be feeling a little > pain. It's just silly when people keep predicting disaster with everything. > When UPS went on strike you had people preaching the economy would be ruined > etc. It sucked for a bit then things got back on track. I don't know much > about current visa law other then illegal immigrant is illegal. I get > tickets for speeding and everything and get held accountable for my > excessive driving habits :). Immigrants should be held accountable for their > behavior whether or not they are a good worker. I'm sure a US jail is better > standard of living then some places people come from. Though i do understand > it they just want a better life and can't blame them for that. > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > mmm yeah. I guess. We keep saying never never to it again abd then about > > five years later there's another amnesty. POint is though, we need those > > guys. The economy won't run without them. > > > > Dana > > > > > > William Wheatley writes: > > > > > Well that was one thing shrub was talking about doing then 9/11 and it > was > > > left. > > > > > > I would be in favor of that i guess, but that wouldn't mean you get to > stay > > > just means you won't goto prison you shoudl still have to go through the > > > process like all the other hard working legal immigrants. > > > > > > And then if you get caught after the amnesty god help you, get thrown > out > > > and never be allowed back into the states again. > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > > I get it I get it... I've lived in San Antonio. And actually I don't > think > > > > you can legalize yourself from inside the country until they have an > > > > amnesty. > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > William Wheatley writes: > > > > > > > > > People just don't get that line, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Sure we need > people > > > to > > > > > do the shit work of the country and its great they are willing to do > it > > > and > > > > > get paid like shit (still better then where they are from) but get > your > > > ass > > > > > legal. I'm all for legal immigrants i f'ing hate illegal immigrants > > > though > > > > > do the due diligance to get yourself legalized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > > good > > > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > > off!" > > > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:21 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good analysis except for immigration. If they deport all illegal > > > aliens > > > > > > thy'll have to shut down the Riverwalk and probably the rest of > San > > > > > Antonio > > > > > > too. Talk about throwing resources down a hole.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug White writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You well may have a point. As long as the current campaign > finance > > > > > programs are > > > > > > > in place, you end up getting the best government you can buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My government prof in College (a staunch republican, he) used to > say > > > > > that the > > > > > > > only difference between the political parties is who decides who > > > gets > > > > > what. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would predict that IF the Democratic party could consolidate > all > > > their > > > > > > > factions and adopt a slightly left of center platform, while > > > avoiding > > > > > extremism > > > > > > > on either side, concentrate on the economy, the deficit, and the > > > > > national debt > > > > > > > (as Clinton did) they would win by a fairly wide margin. On the > > > other > > > > > hand, if > > > > > > > they remain extreme left-wing, and as widely split as they are, > they > > > > > will hand > > > > > > > the election over to the current administration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no problem with a defense policy of cutting off danger to > the > > > US > > > > > at the > > > > > > > pass, but I also feel some nationalism would go a long way, by > not > > > > > financially > > > > > > > supporting those regimes worldwide for only short-term > friendships. > > > The > > > > > > > American people must realize that any nation we consider > friends, > > > are > > > > > friends > > > > > > > only to the extent of their own interests, be it political, or > > > > > financial. > > > > > > > Unfortunately our friendship is likewise for sale, and we get so > > > > > indignant when > > > > > > > those policies come back and bite us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for me, I would start with a closed border policy and strong > > > emphasis > > > > > on > > > > > > > deportation of illegal immigration. The main thinking here is > that > > > if > > > > > we are to > > > > > > > be considered a nation of laws, then we must respect and enforce > all > > > > > laws, or > > > > > > > remove them from the books. Selective enforcement and unequal > > > justice > > > > > is > > > > > > > insidious, and is led mostly by the political aspirations of > > > > > prosecutors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > > > > > > > For CF hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > > > > > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:16 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | <cf_insert_2_cents> > > > > > > > | Do you agree that no matter who gets elected, there will be > more > > > of > > > > > > > | the same "something". By that I mean, more of the same selling > out > > > to > > > > > > > | whatever special interests they hold dear. How can anyone rise > to > > > the > > > > > power > > > > > > > | of the presidency without selling their soul on innumerable > > > occasions? > > > > > > > | </cf_insert_2_cents> > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > | From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > | Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:56 AM > > > > > > > | To: CF-Community > > > > > > > | Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | If n fact he is just another mouth piece, no. Last thing we > need > > > is > > > > > more of > > > > > > > | the same. > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | Dana > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | Michael Dinowitz writes: > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > His backstory once made him very attractive to me as a > > > candidate. > > > > > Problem > > > > > > > | is, > > > > > > > | > he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers that be > and > > > is > > > > > just not > > > > > > > | > someone I'd vote for anymore. > > > > > > > | > Just as an aside, let me throw this into the mix. > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/powelldoctrine_s > > > > > > > | hort > > > > > > > | > .html > > > > > > > | > His military doctrine about when and how to use force. Seems > he > > > feel > > > > > it > > > > > > > | only > > > > > > > | > applies to himself, not to others.... > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > | > > I dunno... I could conceive of voting for him and I am > sure as > > > > > hell not > > > > > > > | a > > > > > > > | > > Republican. This may change if he appears to have been > > > dishonest. > > > > > I also > > > > > > > | > > wondered if he wasn't the source for that story. > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > | > > Dana > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > | > > jon hall writes: > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > | > > > Perhaps it may appear so on the surface, but I really > can't > > > > > agree. The > > > > > > > | > > > administration want's Powell to be a "yes man", but > > > obviously he > > > > > > > | > > > doesn't like it. Cheney is the one who originally wrote > the > > > BS > > > > > in the > > > > > > > | > > > first place. > > > > > > > | > > > Much has been made about Powell disagreeing with the > > > > > administration on > > > > > > > | > > > a lot of issues. The problem is that he is outnumbered > in > > > the > > > > > White > > > > > > > | > > > House with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice usually lining up > > > against > > > > > him. > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > | > > > My take is the almost extreme opposite of this somehow > being > > > a > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > | > > > weakness on Powell's part. I see it as a sign of > strength > > > that > > > > > he > > > > > > > | > > > disagree's so much with the party line, but refuses to > try > > > and > > > > > make it > > > > > > > | > > > an issue of right and wrong in the public eye. > Especially > > > since > > > > > the > > > > > > > | > > > American voter only really cares about the truth when > their > > > > > party > > > > > > > | > > > doesn't have the White House. I doubt Powell would have > > > gained > > > > > more > > > > > > > | > > > Democratic supporters than Republican supporters he > would > > > have > > > > > lost if > > > > > > > | > > > he refused to go along with the White House. > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > | > > > When it comes down to it, the first black man to have a > > > chance > > > > > of > > > > > > > | > > > becoming President has more important things to worry > about > > > than > > > > > > > | > > > whether or not one reason to go to war with Iraq is > better > > > than > > > > > > > | > > > another. > > > > > > > | > > > He has a strong support base on the right currently and > > > can't > > > > > > > | > > > let the media screw up his image by painting him as a > > > maverick, > > > > > and I > > > > > > > | > > > can't help but draw a parallel between David Palmer in > the > > > show > > > > > 24, > > > > > > > | > > > and Powell. Playing ball now will go a long way in the > > > future. > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > | > > > -- > > > > > > > | > > > jon > > > > > > > | > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > | > > > Monday, June 2, 2003, 10:24:00 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > > | > > > MD> Powell, who I once thought I respected, is nothing > more > > > than > > > > > a > > > > > > > | "yes man" > > > > > > > | > for > > > > > > > | > > > MD> Bush and the forces in the state department. He is > > > > > definitely not > > > > > > > | in > > > > > > > | > charge of > > > > > > > | > > > MD> anything. > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > | > > > >> On the evening of February 1, two dozen American > > > officials > > > > > gathered > > > > > > > | in a > > > > > > > | > > > MD> spacious conference room at the Central Intelligence > > > Agency > > > > > in > > > > > > > | Langley, > > > > > > > | > Va. The > > > > > > > | > > > MD> time had come to make the public case for war > against > > > Iraq. > > > > > For > > > > > > > | six > > > > > > > | > hours that > > > > > > > | > > > MD> Saturday, the men and women of the Bush > administration > > > > > argued > > > > > > > | about what > > > > > > > | > > > MD> Secretary of State Colin Powell should--and should > > > not--say > > > > > at the > > > > > > > | > United > > > > > > > | > > > MD> Nations Security Council four days later. Not all > the > > > secret > > > > > > > | > intelligence about > > > > > > > | > > > MD> Saddam Hussein's misdeeds, they found, stood up to > close > > > > > scrutiny. > > > > > > > | At > > > > > > > | > one point > > > > > > > | > > > MD> during the rehearsal, Powell tossed several pages in > the > > > > > air. "I'm > > > > > > > | not > > > > > > > | > reading > > > > > > > | > > > MD> this," he declared. 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