I also want to point out that there are significantly more legal immigrants than illegal. In a story I heard on the radio about a year ago, they were talking about perception of immigrant status and that 80% of immigrants are legal, while most people think that number pertains to the number of illegal immigrants.
-Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > Unfortunately, becoming legal just isn't about following a > process. There are limits as to how many, etc can come in. > There are illegal immigrants because demand exceeds supply. > Both on the work visa front as well as on the available job front. > > So what this means is that we have a stupid law in place that > is trying to artificially hold up/control salaries all the > while supply and demand are working for adjustments. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:44 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > People just don't get that line, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Sure we > need people to do the shit work of the country and its great > they are willing to do it and get paid like shit (still > better then where they are from) but get your ass legal. I'm > all for legal immigrants i f'ing hate illegal immigrants > though do the due diligance to get yourself legalized. > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a > resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > good analysis except for immigration. If they deport all illegal > > aliens thy'll have to shut down the Riverwalk and probably > the rest of > > San > Antonio > > too. Talk about throwing resources down a hole.... > > > > Doug White writes: > > > > > You well may have a point. As long as the current > campaign finance > programs are > > > in place, you end up getting the best government you can buy. > > > > > > My government prof in College (a staunch republican, he) > used to say > that the > > > only difference between the political parties is who decides who > > > gets > what. > > > > > > I would predict that IF the Democratic party could > consolidate all > > > their factions and adopt a slightly left of center > platform, while > > > avoiding > extremism > > > on either side, concentrate on the economy, the deficit, and the > national debt > > > (as Clinton did) they would win by a fairly wide margin. On the > > > other > hand, if > > > they remain extreme left-wing, and as widely split as > they are, they > will hand > > > the election over to the current administration. > > > > > > I have no problem with a defense policy of cutting off > danger to the > > > US > at the > > > pass, but I also feel some nationalism would go a long way, by not > financially > > > supporting those regimes worldwide for only short-term > friendships. > > > The American people must realize that any nation we consider > > > friends, are > friends > > > only to the extent of their own interests, be it political, or > financial. > > > Unfortunately our friendship is likewise for sale, and we get so > indignant when > > > those policies come back and bite us. > > > > > > As for me, I would start with a closed border policy and strong > > > emphasis > on > > > deportation of illegal immigration. The main thinking > here is that > > > if > we are to > > > be considered a nation of laws, then we must respect and > enforce all > laws, or > > > remove them from the books. Selective enforcement and unequal > > > justice > is > > > insidious, and is led mostly by the political aspirations of > prosecutors. > > > > > > ====================================== > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > > > For CF hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > > > ====================================== > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:16 AM > > > Subject: RE: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > | <cf_insert_2_cents> > > > | Do you agree that no matter who gets elected, there > will be more > > > | of the same "something". By that I mean, more of the > same selling > > > | out to whatever special interests they hold dear. How > can anyone > > > | rise to the > power > > > | of the presidency without selling their soul on innumerable > > > | occasions? </cf_insert_2_cents> > > > | > > > | -----Original Message----- > > > | From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > | Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:56 AM > > > | To: CF-Community > > > | Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > | > > > | > > > | If n fact he is just another mouth piece, no. Last > thing we need > > > | is > more of > > > | the same. > > > | > > > | Dana > > > | > > > | Michael Dinowitz writes: > > > | > > > | > His backstory once made him very attractive to me as a > > > | > candidate. > Problem > > > | is, > > > | > he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers > that be and > > > | > is > just not > > > | > someone I'd vote for anymore. > > > | > Just as an aside, let me throw this into the mix. > > > | > > > > | > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/po > welldoctrine_s > > > | hort > > > | > .html > > > | > His military doctrine about when and how to use > force. Seems he > > > | > feel > it > > > | only > > > | > applies to himself, not to others.... > > > | > > > > | > > I dunno... I could conceive of voting for him and I > am sure as > hell not > > > | a > > > | > > Republican. This may change if he appears to have been > > > | > > dishonest. > I also > > > | > > wondered if he wasn't the source for that story. > > > | > > > > > | > > Dana > > > | > > > > > | > > jon hall writes: > > > | > > > > > | > > > Perhaps it may appear so on the surface, but I > really can't > agree. The > > > | > > > administration want's Powell to be a "yes man", but > > > | > > > obviously he doesn't like it. Cheney is the one who > > > | > > > originally wrote the BS > in the > > > | > > > first place. > > > | > > > Much has been made about Powell disagreeing with the > administration on > > > | > > > a lot of issues. The problem is that he is outnumbered in > > > | > > > the > White > > > | > > > House with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice usually lining up > > > | > > > against > him. > > > | > > > > > > | > > > My take is the almost extreme opposite of this > somehow being > > > | > > > a > sign of > > > | > > > weakness on Powell's part. I see it as a sign of strength > > > | > > > that > he > > > | > > > disagree's so much with the party line, but > refuses to try > > > | > > > and > make it > > > | > > > an issue of right and wrong in the public eye. Especially > > > | > > > since > the > > > | > > > American voter only really cares about the truth > when their > party > > > | > > > doesn't have the White House. I doubt Powell would have > > > | > > > gained > more > > > | > > > Democratic supporters than Republican supporters he would > > > | > > > have > lost if > > > | > > > he refused to go along with the White House. > > > | > > > > > > | > > > When it comes down to it, the first black man to have a > > > | > > > chance > of > > > | > > > becoming President has more important things to > worry about > > > | > > > than whether or not one reason to go to war with Iraq is > > > | > > > better than another. He has a strong support base on the > > > | > > > right currently and can't let the media screw up > his image > > > | > > > by painting him as a maverick, > and I > > > | > > > can't help but draw a parallel between David > Palmer in the > > > | > > > show > 24, > > > | > > > and Powell. Playing ball now will go a long way in the > > > | > > > future. > > > | > > > > > > | > > > -- > > > | > > > jon > > > | > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > | > > > > > > | > > > Monday, June 2, 2003, 10:24:00 PM, you wrote: > > > | > > > MD> Powell, who I once thought I respected, is > nothing more > > > | > > > MD> than > a > > > | "yes man" > > > | > for > > > | > > > MD> Bush and the forces in the state department. He is > definitely not > > > | in > > > | > charge of > > > | > > > MD> anything. > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > >> On the evening of February 1, two dozen American > > > | > > > >> officials > gathered > > > | in a > > > | > > > MD> spacious conference room at the Central Intelligence > > > | > > > MD> Agency > in > > > | Langley, > > > | > Va. The > > > | > > > MD> time had come to make the public case for war against > > > | > > > MD> Iraq. > For > > > | six > > > | > hours that > > > | > > > MD> Saturday, the men and women of the Bush administration > argued > > > | about what > > > | > > > MD> Secretary of State Colin Powell should--and should > > > | > > > MD> not--say > at the > > > | > United > > > | > > > MD> Nations Security Council four days later. Not all the > > > | > > > MD> secret > > > | > intelligence about > > > | > > > MD> Saddam Hussein's misdeeds, they found, stood > up to close > scrutiny. > > > | At > > > | > one point > > > | > > > MD> during the rehearsal, Powell tossed several > pages in the > air. "I'm > > > | not > > > | > reading > > > | > > > MD> this," he declared. "This is bulls- - -." > > > | > > > >> > > > | > > > >> > http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030609/usne> ws/9intell. > > > > | > > > >> htm > > > | > > > >> > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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