well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my question. I for
example took great care to never enlist for exactly this reason. If the US
was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess.  Might still lead
to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual function.

Dana

John Stanley writes:

> That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. I think that if
> you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you object to killing
> another person for whatever reason, you should get another job, but still on
> the front line, like a medic or something. 
> 
> Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing to do whatever my
> country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do the same.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: A good american
> 
> 
> thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into conscientous
> (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country is being
> invaded they should serve *somehow*)
> 
> My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other situations. We
> invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a coward. I disagree.
> 
> Dana
> 
> 
> John Stanley writes:
> 
> > Simple situation:
> > 
> > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to choose (which
> is
> > what would happen)
> > 
> > You would either:
> >     1. fight for the US (patriot)
> >     2. fight against the US (traitor)
> >     3. not fight (coward)
> > 
> > That's it.
> > 
> > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal moral decision
> when
> > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward.
> > 
> > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are a coward.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: A good american
> > 
> > 
> > Buddism.
> > 
> > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the story.
> > 
> > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't go in guns
> > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that sort of
> > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: A good american
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them 
> > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes war, 
> > > none at all.  In fact all of them have a history of 
> > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep the 
> > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods and 
> > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed conflict, 
> > > only cowardice.  Genuine Conscientious Objectors are nothing 
> > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon legitimate 
> > > government and its loyal people.  They should all be either 
> > > exported or executed.
> > > 
> > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther 
> > > King.  and are completely wrong about the Mennonites.
> > > 
> > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the citizenry 
> > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional 
> > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your lies 
> > > and deceptions.
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM
> > > Subject: RE: A good american
> > > 
> > > 
> > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a sincere, 
> > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the military is 
> > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would gladly 
> > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine conscientious 
> > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like Ghandi, Mother 
> > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There are other 
> > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong 
> > > religious beliefs 
> > > | against serving in the military.
> > > |
> > > | Such ignorance is appalling.
> > > |
> > > | larry
> > > |
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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