LOL we're miscommunicating so i'm just going to let it go you're not understanding me.
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: A good american > Geez Louise. Apparently I DO need to use smaller words. > > $250 is an application fee. You have to pay it no matter what. It isn't a > proposal. They are doing it now. > > Is that dumbed down enough for you? > > You just told me to spend what two years in the military. Just to save > $250. How broke do you think I am? And you call me condescending... Also, > you have your facts wrong. > > Unbelievable. > > Dana > > > On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:21:55 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > You weren't listening to me ;) I didn't say what currently is done i said > > is > > being proposed....now who's not paying attention. > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:45 AM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> Bill. Let me see if I can explain this so you can understand. The > >> military > >> service makes you eligible. You still have to apply, and certify that > >> you > >> are not a member of the Nazi party, and a few other things. You have to > >> disclose any criminal history and you have to affirm that you have never > >> advocated the overthrow of the US government. And so on for about eight > >> pages. You then take the application down to the INS office with all the > >> requisite photographs and --- pay attention now -- the application fee > >> of > >> $250. The fee is not waived for military or any other applicants that I > >> have ever heard. > >> > >> I personally have been eligible for several years, based on time I have > >> already lived here. I did not file the paperwork sooner because I did > >> not > >> see the importance of voting. This last election has shown me the error > >> of > >> my ways. I will be filing the application. If I enlisted it would have > > zero > >> effect on my eligibility. I am eligible already. > >> > >> Let me know if I need to use even smaller words. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:11:29 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Oh i know you can get citizenship other ways but see thats a free way > > for > >> > you to do it LOL. > >> > > >> > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:06 PM > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > > >> >> I don't need to perform military service to get citizenhip. I need to > >> >> get > >> >> over to the INS office with $250 dollars. > >> >> > >> >> The plan isnt just proposed. Two of the GIs killed in Iraq had > >> enlisted > >> > for > >> >> this reason. I think its not a bad idea. Makes it easier for people > >> to > >> >> get > >> >> citizenship. > >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> >> > >> >> William Wheatley writes: > >> >> > >> >> > Then you might get citizenship under a law that is being proposed > >> to > >> > give > >> >> > legal aliens who do military service citizenship. > >> >> > > >> >> > I think its a great idea > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> was > >> > good > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> > off!" > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my question. > >> I > >> > for > >> >> > > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this reason. > >> If > >> > the US > >> >> > > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. Might > >> >> still > >> >> > lead > >> >> > > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual function. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Dana > >> >> > > > >> >> > > John Stanley writes: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. I > >> >> think > >> >> > that if > >> >> > > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you > >> object > >> >> to > >> >> > killing > >> >> > > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another job, > >> >> but > >> >> > still on > >> >> > > > the front line, like a medic or something. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing to > >> do > >> >> > whatever my > >> >> > > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do the > >> > same. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM > >> >> > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into > >> >> > conscientous > >> >> > > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country is > >> > being > >> >> > > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other > >> >> situations. > >> > We > >> >> > > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a coward. > >> I > >> >> > disagree. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Dana > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > John Stanley writes: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Simple situation: > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to > >> >> choose > >> >> > (which > >> >> > > > is > >> >> > > > > what would happen) > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > You would either: > >> >> > > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) > >> >> > > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) > >> >> > > > > 3. not fight (coward) > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > That's it. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal moral > >> > decision > >> >> > > > when > >> >> > > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are a > >> > coward. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM > >> >> > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Buddism. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the > >> >> story. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't > >> go > >> >> in > >> > guns > >> >> > > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that > > sort > >> > of > >> >> > > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 > >> >> > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them > >> >> > > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes war, > >> >> > > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of > >> >> > > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep > >> the > >> >> > > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods > >> and > >> >> > > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed > >> conflict, > >> >> > > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are > >> nothing > >> >> > > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon > >> legitimate > >> >> > > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be either > >> >> > > > > > exported or executed. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther > >> >> > > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the > >> citizenry > >> >> > > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional > >> >> > > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your lies > >> >> > > > > > and deceptions. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > ====================================== > >> >> > > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > >> >> > > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > >> >> > > > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > >> >> > > > > > ====================================== > >> >> > > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't > >> done! > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Larry C. > >> Lyons" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM > >> >> > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a > >> > sincere, > >> >> > > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the > >> > military is > >> >> > > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would > >> >> gladly > >> >> > > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine > >> >> conscientious > >> >> > > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like > >> Ghandi, > >> > Mother > >> >> > > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There > > are > >> > other > >> >> > > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong > >> >> > > > > > religious beliefs > >> >> > > > > > | against serving in the military. > >> >> > > > > > | > >> >> > > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. > >> >> > > > > > | > >> >> > > > > > | larry > >> >> > > > > > | > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
