I would hope so. But I am afraid not. Have a croissant anyway. Dana
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:55:45 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LOL we're miscommunicating so i'm just going to let it go you're not > understanding me. > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> Geez Louise. Apparently I DO need to use smaller words. >> >> $250 is an application fee. You have to pay it no matter what. It isn't >> a >> proposal. They are doing it now. >> >> Is that dumbed down enough for you? >> >> You just told me to spend what two years in the military. Just to save >> $250. How broke do you think I am? And you call me condescending... >> Also, >> you have your facts wrong. >> >> Unbelievable. >> >> Dana >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:21:55 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > You weren't listening to me ;) I didn't say what currently is done i > said >> > is >> > being proposed....now who's not paying attention. >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:45 AM >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> >> Bill. Let me see if I can explain this so you can understand. The >> >> military >> >> service makes you eligible. You still have to apply, and certify that >> >> you >> >> are not a member of the Nazi party, and a few other things. You have >> to >> >> disclose any criminal history and you have to affirm that you have > never >> >> advocated the overthrow of the US government. And so on for about >> eight >> >> pages. You then take the application down to the INS office with all > the >> >> requisite photographs and --- pay attention now -- the application >> fee >> >> of >> >> $250. The fee is not waived for military or any other applicants that >> I >> >> have ever heard. >> >> >> >> I personally have been eligible for several years, based on time I >> have >> >> already lived here. I did not file the paperwork sooner because I did >> >> not >> >> see the importance of voting. This last election has shown me the >> error >> >> of >> >> my ways. I will be filing the application. If I enlisted it would >> have >> > zero >> >> effect on my eligibility. I am eligible already. >> >> >> >> Let me know if I need to use even smaller words. >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:11:29 -0400, William Wheatley >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Oh i know you can get citizenship other ways but see thats a free >> way >> > for >> >> > you to do it LOL. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> was >> > good >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> > off!" >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:06 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I don't need to perform military service to get citizenhip. I need > to >> >> >> get >> >> >> over to the INS office with $250 dollars. >> >> >> >> >> >> The plan isnt just proposed. Two of the GIs killed in Iraq had >> >> enlisted >> >> > for >> >> >> this reason. I think its not a bad idea. Makes it easier for >> people >> >> to >> >> >> get >> >> >> citizenship. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Then you might get citizenship under a law that is being >> proposed >> >> to >> >> > give >> >> >> > legal aliens who do military service citizenship. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I think its a great idea >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> >> was >> >> > good >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > people >> >> > off!" >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my > question. >> >> I >> >> > for >> >> >> > > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this >> reason. >> >> If >> >> > the US >> >> >> > > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. >> Might >> >> >> still >> >> >> > lead >> >> >> > > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual > function. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Dana >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > John Stanley writes: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. >> I >> >> >> think >> >> >> > that if >> >> >> > > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you >> >> object >> >> >> to >> >> >> > killing >> >> >> > > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another > job, >> >> >> but >> >> >> > still on >> >> >> > > > the front line, like a medic or something. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing >> to >> >> do >> >> >> > whatever my >> >> >> > > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do > the >> >> > same. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM >> >> >> > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go >> into >> >> >> > conscientous >> >> >> > > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country > is >> >> > being >> >> >> > > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other >> >> >> situations. >> >> > We >> >> >> > > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a > coward. >> >> I >> >> >> > disagree. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Dana >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > > Simple situation: >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had >> to >> >> >> choose >> >> >> > (which >> >> >> > > > is >> >> >> > > > > what would happen) >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > You would either: >> >> >> > > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) >> >> >> > > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) >> >> >> > > > > 3. not fight (coward) >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > That's it. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal > moral >> >> > decision >> >> >> > > > when >> >> >> > > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you >> are > a >> >> > coward. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM >> >> >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Buddism. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the >> >> >> story. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who >> doesn't >> >> go >> >> >> in >> >> > guns >> >> >> > > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that >> that >> > sort >> >> > of >> >> >> > > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> > > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 >> >> >> > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term >> them >> >> >> > > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes > war, >> >> >> > > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of >> >> >> > > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep >> >> the >> >> >> > > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is >> falsehoods >> >> and >> >> >> > > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed >> >> conflict, >> >> >> > > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are >> >> nothing >> >> >> > > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon >> >> legitimate >> >> >> > > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be > either >> >> >> > > > > > exported or executed. >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin > Luther >> >> >> > > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the >> >> citizenry >> >> >> > > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional >> >> >> > > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your > lies >> >> >> > > > > > and deceptions. >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > ====================================== >> >> >> > > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! >> >> >> > > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >> >> >> > > > > > ISP rated: >> http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 >> >> >> > > > > > ====================================== >> >> >> > > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't >> >> done! >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Larry C. >> >> Lyons" >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM >> >> >> > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have >> a >> >> > sincere, >> >> >> > > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the >> >> > military is >> >> >> > > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who >> would >> >> >> gladly >> >> >> > > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine >> >> >> conscientious >> >> >> > > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like >> >> Ghandi, >> >> > Mother >> >> >> > > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. >> There >> > are >> >> > other >> >> >> > > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong >> >> >> > > > > > religious beliefs >> >> >> > > > > > | against serving in the military. >> >> >> > > > > > | >> >> >> > > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. >> >> >> > > > > > | >> >> >> > > > > > | larry >> >> >> > > > > > | >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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