Oh, you were talking about the Wen Ho Lee discussion. My bad, it's the $250 for two years thing where you are being a condescending jerk. In the Wen Ho Lee discussion you are merely jerking your knees in the absence of fact.
Dana On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:35:09 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alrighty, just don't be sore with me when you were reading too much into > it. > I wouldn't want to see anyone shot summarily unless its wartime. Which > means > without a trial. > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> funny you should mention the term condescending jerk. I never felt bad, >> Bill. Have a nice day :) >> >> Dana >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:27:21 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > *HUGS* hope you feel better today dana :) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Wheatley" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:22 AM >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> >> And it's nice to know Canadians can be condescending jerks sometimes > too >> > ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was >> >> good >> >> with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> >> off!" >> >> Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:45 AM >> >> Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bill. Let me see if I can explain this so you can understand. The >> > military >> >> > service makes you eligible. You still have to apply, and certify >> that >> > you >> >> > are not a member of the Nazi party, and a few other things. You >> have >> >> to >> >> > disclose any criminal history and you have to affirm that you have >> >> never >> >> > advocated the overthrow of the US government. And so on for about >> >> eight >> >> > pages. You then take the application down to the INS office with >> all >> >> the >> >> > requisite photographs and --- pay attention now -- the application > fee >> > of >> >> > $250. The fee is not waived for military or any other applicants >> that >> >> I >> >> > have ever heard. >> >> > >> >> > I personally have been eligible for several years, based on time I >> >> have >> >> > already lived here. I did not file the paperwork sooner because I >> did >> > not >> >> > see the importance of voting. This last election has shown me the >> >> error >> > of >> >> > my ways. I will be filing the application. If I enlisted it would > have >> >> zero >> >> > effect on my eligibility. I am eligible already. >> >> > >> >> > Let me know if I need to use even smaller words. >> >> > >> >> > Dana >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:11:29 -0400, William Wheatley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Oh i know you can get citizenship other ways but see thats a free >> >> way >> >> for >> >> > > you to do it LOL. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > was >> >> good >> >> > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> people >> >> off!" >> >> > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:06 PM >> >> > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> I don't need to perform military service to get citizenhip. I >> need >> >> to >> >> > >> get >> >> > >> over to the INS office with $250 dollars. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> The plan isnt just proposed. Two of the GIs killed in Iraq had >> > enlisted >> >> > > for >> >> > >> this reason. I think its not a bad idea. Makes it easier for > people >> > to >> >> > >> get >> >> > >> citizenship. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Dana >> >> > >> >> >> > >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Then you might get citizenship under a law that is being > proposed >> > to >> >> > > give >> >> > >> > legal aliens who do military service citizenship. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > I think its a great idea >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, >> I >> > was >> >> > > good >> >> > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> >> people >> >> > > off!" >> >> > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my >> >> question. >> > I >> >> > > for >> >> > >> > > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this >> >> reason. >> > If >> >> > > the US >> >> > >> > > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. >> >> Might >> >> > >> still >> >> > >> > lead >> >> > >> > > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual >> >> function. >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > Dana >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > John Stanley writes: >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being >> invaded. >> >> I >> >> > >> think >> >> > >> > that if >> >> > >> > > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you >> > object >> >> > >> to >> >> > >> > killing >> >> > >> > > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another >> >> job, >> >> > >> but >> >> > >> > still on >> >> > >> > > > the front line, like a medic or something. >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing > to >> > do >> >> > >> > whatever my >> >> > >> > > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not >> do >> >> the >> >> > > same. >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM >> >> > >> > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go > into >> >> > >> > conscientous >> >> > >> > > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the >> country >> >> is >> >> > > being >> >> > >> > > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other >> >> > >> situations. >> >> > > We >> >> > >> > > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a >> >> coward. >> > I >> >> > >> > disagree. >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > Dana >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > Simple situation: >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had > to >> >> > >> choose >> >> > >> > (which >> >> > >> > > > is >> >> > >> > > > > what would happen) >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > You would either: >> >> > >> > > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) >> >> > >> > > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) >> >> > >> > > > > 3. not fight (coward) >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > That's it. >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal >> >> moral >> >> > > decision >> >> > >> > > > when >> >> > >> > > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you > are >> >> a >> >> > > coward. >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM >> >> > >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > >> > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > Buddism. >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know >> the >> >> > >> story. >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who > doesn't >> > go >> >> > >> in >> >> > > guns >> >> > >> > > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that > that >> >> sort >> >> > > of >> >> > >> > > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> > > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 >> >> > >> > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term > them >> >> > >> > > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes >> >> war, >> >> > >> > > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of >> >> > >> > > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to >> keep >> > the >> >> > >> > > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is > falsehoods >> > and >> >> > >> > > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed >> > conflict, >> >> > >> > > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are >> > nothing >> >> > >> > > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon >> > legitimate >> >> > >> > > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be >> >> either >> >> > >> > > > > > exported or executed. >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin >> >> Luther >> >> > >> > > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the >> > citizenry >> >> > >> > > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and >> constitutional >> >> > >> > > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your >> >> lies >> >> > >> > > > > > and deceptions. >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > ====================================== >> >> > >> > > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! >> >> > >> > > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >> >> > >> > > > > > ISP rated: > http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 >> >> > >> > > > > > ====================================== >> >> > >> > > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't >> > done! >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Larry C. >> > Lyons" >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM >> >> > >> > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who >> have > a >> >> > > sincere, >> >> > >> > > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in >> the >> >> > > military is >> >> > >> > > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who > would >> >> > >> gladly >> >> > >> > > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine >> >> > >> conscientious >> >> > >> > > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like >> > Ghandi, >> >> > > Mother >> >> > >> > > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. >> >> There >> >> are >> >> > > other >> >> > >> > > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong >> >> > >> > > > > > religious beliefs >> >> > >> > > > > > | against serving in the military. >> >> > >> > > > > > | >> >> > >> > > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. >> >> > >> > > > > > | >> >> > >> > > > > > | larry >> >> > >> > > > > > | >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
