In Canada it is much more pronounced. The programs for natives and minorities, the fact that you get paid an allowance for each child you have, the way that private property is handled there, centralized socialized health care, no right to self defense. I think the US is headed towards socialism I just think Canada is beating us to the punch.
Tim -----Original Message----- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) Um? I don't see your point. There is such a thing as state aid there, as there is here. Dana Heald, Tim writes: > >who advocated state aid for the betterment of the working classes > > This is what I am talking about. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > Me thinks that he's using socialist as a pejorative, and not really using > the word as its actually defined: > > from dictionary.com > > Socialism > > > <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=socialism%20of%20the%20chair>Socia > lism > of the chair [G. katheder socialismus], a term applied about 1872, at first > in ridicule, to a group of German political economists who advocated state > aid for the betterment of the working classes. Sock \Sock\, v. t. [Perh. > shortened fr. sockdolager.] To hurl, drive, or strike violently; -- often > with it as an object. [Prov. or Vulgar] --Kipling. > > \So"cial*ism\, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform > which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just > and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the > term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social > scheme. See <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=communism>Communism, > <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fourierism>Fourierism, > <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=saint-simonianism>Saint-Simonianis > m, > forms of socialism. > > [Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social > reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . > The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by > economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as > socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . > . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private > property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to > ally itself with the most advanced democracy. --Encyc. Brit. > > We certainly want a true history of socialism, meaning by that a history of > every systematic attempt to provide a new social existence for the mass of > the workers. --F. Harrison. > > > At 05:52 PM 7/8/2003 +0000, Dana Tierney wrote: > >Well Tim, considering you also think that I am in favor of socialized > >medecine, I can't say I have a lot of respect for that opinion. I mean, > >c'mon, you equate favoring non-smoking restaurants with being > >anti-business. You are simply wrong, like when you claimed Canada was a > >socialist country, hehe. > > > >Dana > > > >Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > I am not saying that based on your last comments. I am saying that > > based on > > > our discussions over time I have come to the conclusion that you are > indeed > > > a collectivist. I am also saying that I don't think you realize it on > any > > > conscious level. You tend to have opinions on individual political > > matters, > > > not one larger overriding image of what the government should look like. > > > When you take all of your opinions together this is the impression I > have > > > gotten. > > > > > > Also I am not saying that you don't deserve to hold these opinions, or > have > > > a job or should be black listed, so I think the McCarthy label is a bit > > off. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:33 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > what??? How do you get "collectivist thought" out of a summary of a dead > > > philosopher's writing?? I didn't even say I agreed with him (or her) and > am > > > at a loss to see how you get collectivism out of it in the first place. > > > > > > McCarthyism Alert on Tim. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > > > This is one of those times when I think you don't see what the sum > result > > > of > > > > your own beliefs is. I believe there is more of collectivist thought > in > > > you > > > > than you realize. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:39 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mill's and Bentham's writing on utilitarianism claim that > > > > > > when you work for yourself and your own happiness, your truly > > > > > > working for "society" or the community. > > > > > > > > Actually, I think it was the other way around. I have not read > > Bentham but > > > > Mills said that altruistic acts in fact provide the doer with utility, > > > such > > > > as good feelings about himself. Assuming that it was Mills that wrote > > > > Utilitarianism; a lot of people seem to think it was his wife. > > > > > > > > > > liberal at times (I may be getting confused, I think Dana and > > > > > > Larry are the only ones that I really have pegged at this > > > > > > point.). > > > > > > > > Not based on that summary of my alleged beliefs the other day you dont > :) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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