>who advocated state aid for the betterment of the working classes This is what I am talking about.
Tim -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) Me thinks that he's using socialist as a pejorative, and not really using the word as its actually defined: from dictionary.com Socialism <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=socialism%20of%20the%20chair>Socia lism of the chair [G. katheder socialismus], a term applied about 1872, at first in ridicule, to a group of German political economists who advocated state aid for the betterment of the working classes. Sock \Sock\, v. t. [Perh. shortened fr. sockdolager.] To hurl, drive, or strike violently; -- often with it as an object. [Prov. or Vulgar] --Kipling. \So"cial*ism\, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme. See <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=communism>Communism, <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fourierism>Fourierism, <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=saint-simonianism>Saint-Simonianis m, forms of socialism. [Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to ally itself with the most advanced democracy. --Encyc. Brit. We certainly want a true history of socialism, meaning by that a history of every systematic attempt to provide a new social existence for the mass of the workers. --F. Harrison. At 05:52 PM 7/8/2003 +0000, Dana Tierney wrote: >Well Tim, considering you also think that I am in favor of socialized >medecine, I can't say I have a lot of respect for that opinion. I mean, >c'mon, you equate favoring non-smoking restaurants with being >anti-business. You are simply wrong, like when you claimed Canada was a >socialist country, hehe. > >Dana > >Heald, Tim writes: > > > I am not saying that based on your last comments. I am saying that > based on > > our discussions over time I have come to the conclusion that you are indeed > > a collectivist. I am also saying that I don't think you realize it on any > > conscious level. You tend to have opinions on individual political > matters, > > not one larger overriding image of what the government should look like. > > When you take all of your opinions together this is the impression I have > > gotten. > > > > Also I am not saying that you don't deserve to hold these opinions, or have > > a job or should be black listed, so I think the McCarthy label is a bit > off. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:33 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > what??? How do you get "collectivist thought" out of a summary of a dead > > philosopher's writing?? I didn't even say I agreed with him (or her) and am > > at a loss to see how you get collectivism out of it in the first place. > > > > McCarthyism Alert on Tim. > > > > Dana > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > This is one of those times when I think you don't see what the sum result > > of > > > your own beliefs is. I believe there is more of collectivist thought in > > you > > > than you realize. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:39 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > > > Mill's and Bentham's writing on utilitarianism claim that > > > > > when you work for yourself and your own happiness, your truly > > > > > working for "society" or the community. > > > > > > Actually, I think it was the other way around. I have not read > Bentham but > > > Mills said that altruistic acts in fact provide the doer with utility, > > such > > > as good feelings about himself. Assuming that it was Mills that wrote > > > Utilitarianism; a lot of people seem to think it was his wife. > > > > > > > > liberal at times (I may be getting confused, I think Dana and > > > > > Larry are the only ones that I really have pegged at this > > > > > point.). > > > > > > Not based on that summary of my alleged beliefs the other day you dont :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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