I don't know *what* he is hallucinating but I wish he would hallucinate about someone else. Collectivist my left armpit. For the record:
http://www.immigrationcanadian.com/aboutcanadaintro.html The Canadian government defines itself as a federal parliamentary democracy. The various provincial medical plans are often decribed as socialized, which sort of sounds the same I guess....I am trying to be nice today. Dana Larry C. Lyons writes: > Me thinks that he's using socialist as a pejorative, and not really using > the word as its actually defined: > > from dictionary.com > > Socialism > > > <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=socialism%20of%20the%20chair>Socialism > of the chair [G. katheder socialismus], a term applied about 1872, at first > in ridicule, to a group of German political economists who advocated state > aid for the betterment of the working classes. Sock \Sock\, v. t. [Perh. > shortened fr. sockdolager.] To hurl, drive, or strike violently; -- often > with it as an object. [Prov. or Vulgar] --Kipling. > > \So"cial*ism\, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform > which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just > and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the > term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social > scheme. See <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=communism>Communism, > <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fourierism>Fourierism, > <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=saint-simonianism>Saint-Simonianism, > forms of socialism. > > [Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social > reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . > The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by > economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as > socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . > . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private > property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to > ally itself with the most advanced democracy. --Encyc. Brit. > > We certainly want a true history of socialism, meaning by that a history of > every systematic attempt to provide a new social existence for the mass of > the workers. --F. Harrison. > > > At 05:52 PM 7/8/2003 +0000, Dana Tierney wrote: > >Well Tim, considering you also think that I am in favor of socialized > >medecine, I can't say I have a lot of respect for that opinion. I mean, > >c'mon, you equate favoring non-smoking restaurants with being > >anti-business. You are simply wrong, like when you claimed Canada was a > >socialist country, hehe. > > > >Dana > > > >Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > I am not saying that based on your last comments. I am saying that > > based on > > > our discussions over time I have come to the conclusion that you are indeed > > > a collectivist. I am also saying that I don't think you realize it on any > > > conscious level. You tend to have opinions on individual political > > matters, > > > not one larger overriding image of what the government should look like. > > > When you take all of your opinions together this is the impression I have > > > gotten. > > > > > > Also I am not saying that you don't deserve to hold these opinions, or have > > > a job or should be black listed, so I think the McCarthy label is a bit > > off. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:33 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > what??? How do you get "collectivist thought" out of a summary of a dead > > > philosopher's writing?? I didn't even say I agreed with him (or her) and am > > > at a loss to see how you get collectivism out of it in the first place. > > > > > > McCarthyism Alert on Tim. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > > > This is one of those times when I think you don't see what the sum result > > > of > > > > your own beliefs is. I believe there is more of collectivist thought in > > > you > > > > than you realize. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:39 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mill's and Bentham's writing on utilitarianism claim that > > > > > > when you work for yourself and your own happiness, your truly > > > > > > working for "society" or the community. > > > > > > > > Actually, I think it was the other way around. I have not read > > Bentham but > > > > Mills said that altruistic acts in fact provide the doer with utility, > > > such > > > > as good feelings about himself. Assuming that it was Mills that wrote > > > > Utilitarianism; a lot of people seem to think it was his wife. > > > > > > > > > > liberal at times (I may be getting confused, I think Dana and > > > > > > Larry are the only ones that I really have pegged at this > > > > > > point.). > > > > > > > > Not based on that summary of my alleged beliefs the other day you dont :) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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