Links that say what?  You pay people to have children? We got $50 a month
for each kid, or something like that, looking for links:

http://www.nationalchildbenefit.ca/home_e.html

I need to prove that they have socialized health care?

Mineral rights?

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/T-7/C.R.C.-c.1518/176630.html#rid-176733

I have been proven wrong in part.  Some are owned by the province, and some
by the federal government.  Look in the permit and license section.

Halliburton and the rest are filling government contracts, not receiving
grants, although I am sure they have.  Again read what I said.  I know the
U.S. is doing many of these same things just not as far along as Canada.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)


Do you know that if you buy a house in Texas the mineral rights are not
normally included? I haven't researched the question in Canada and most of
my relatives live within city limits. Which province are we talking about?
Even if true, This would by your definition make Texas a socialist state. I
don't think so. And if we are going to get into countries that give money
to oil companies... hehe. I haven't reseached this in Canada, but I can
pull out beaucoup links about Haliburton and the rest of the gang making
billions in Iraq. Does this make the US a socialist state?

And you say *I* am oversimplifying. 

As for taxes, to hear you guys you pay plenty in taxes. You sure Canadians
pay more? I thought you were going to look this up.

I have a problem with the statement because it is wrong, Tim, you say these
things and then you can't back them up. I asked you for links about this
last Thursday. Put up or shut up.

Dana

Heald, Tim writes:

> They own their houses, but they have no mineral rights to what's under the
> ground.  Also look into Esso and the amount of money it gets from the
> government sometime.  Look at the utilities and who owns and runs those.
> 
> Your oversimplifying this a lot you know.  BTW they pay far more in taxes
> than we do.  Hell GST, provincial and federal taxes, supporting all of
these
> various social programs.
> 
> I don't know why you have such a problem with the word?  How would you
> define it?  Is there some stigma you attach to socialist?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> 
> 
> Well all I know is that Tim claimed that it was socialist because the
large
> industries are government owned and something about property rights,
> neither of which is true. I have been in the states a long time but I have
> family in Canada and ya they own houses, work and pay taxes in very much
> the same way that I do.
> 
> Dana
> 
> Nick McClure writes:
> 
> > That is only part of the equation.
> > 
> > Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive, you can have a
> socialist
> > democracy, capitalist monarchy or a communist republic.
> > 
> > Socialism or capitalism is the economic side, democracy or dictatorship
is
> > the political side.
> > 
> > I would say that Canada is not a 100% capitalist country. There are
> > obviously capitalist ideas, but there are a number of socialist ideas as
> > well.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries)
> > > 
> > > It's a parliamentary democracy.
> > > 
> > > Dana
> > > 
> > > Heald, Tim writes:

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