It's not so much a matter of not reading history as much as it is that the fact that 
it happened in the 90's as opposed to the 80's doesn't mean anything in an offhand 
conversation, so I'm not apt to waste my time going back and double-checking all the 
facts. It's not paying my bills. 

Yes I think we could pull something that large off and get away with it. IIRC the 
report I read that claimed Osama was CIA trained was from a reasonably reputable news 
source like CNN... But then that's another problem with "news" and "history" -- it's 
too easily distorted or just plain inaccurate anyway. If you look at the WTC event in 
and of itself, there were dozens if not hundreds of retractions by news media for 
having made blatantly incorrect statements within the first few days. In many cases 
for no better reason than "well, that's what we heard". Far from not having enough 
news information, we had way too much, most of it wrong. 

I'm also not apt to believe all the facts in the CIA fact book can be taken at face 
value. They are in the business of disinformation after all. If you can't trust a 
sales person to give you good information about what you're buying because they have a 
vested interrest in your buying it (and you often can't), why would you trust someone 
who lies for a living to provide accurate information in a book published by the 
organization that pays their bills?

It's the same sort of reasoning that defeats the idea that the christian Bible could 
possibly have been preserved as the "holy word of God" and "everlasting truth". 

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the 
garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for 
when you eat of it you will surely die." 

After telling adam and eve that the fruit is poisonous and will kill them, the snake 
tells them what the fruit really is and what it will really do to them, so they eat it 
and discover that the snake was telling the truth and then you have this:

22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and 
evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life 
and eat, and live forever."

Jehova in this story is a fearful liar. The book can not be the mouthpiece for a deity 
that lies because otherwise it wouldn't present Jehova in a negative light, lying in 
the story. Therefore the christian Bible can only have been written by fallable men.

The moral of the story: don't trust people who lie for a living. 


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> Wow.

> Are the black helicopters flying over your house right
> now?  Do you really
> think we could pull something that large off and get away
> with it?

> Osama was not CIA trained, some mujahadin were.  We didn't
> put the taliban
> in power, and they weren't in power until the 90's, there
> was a soviet
> puppet state there still in the 80's, and the Russians
> were still there in
> force.

> Get your head out of your fourth point of contact, read
> some history.

> Tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:59 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: RE: Vacation!


> I'd venture to say that I think "the war on terrorism" is
> such
> an ambitious concept as to be useless unless it's merely a
> smokescreen of propaganda to facilitate the US committing
> acts
> of terrorism against others. Osama was after all CIA
> trained.
> Or so said the reports I read. For that matter, the US put
> the
> Talaban in power in the 80's because we didn't like the
> people
> who were in power there at the time. Which is part of the
> problem with the whole foreign policy issue. It's like
> assassination -- what happens when someone is assassinated
> in
> many (if not most) cases is that someone else merely takes
> that
> person's place. My understanding is that the Talaban thing
> is
> the same sort of story -- you just replace one evil for
> another.
> But it creates jobs for people at the CIA, so I suppose it
> can't be all bad.

> Isaac

> Original Message -----------------------
> Well, right now we are supposed to be combating a guerilla
> threat in
> Iraq, finishing up a job in Afghanistan, and carrying out
> a vigilant
> campaign against the menance of International Terrorism.

> Is the war over? Because I want to know every single mfing
> terrorist on
> earth has been captured or killed before anyone who is
> supposed to be
> spearheading these efforts takes a break or a monthlong
> vacation.

> M

> -----Original Message-----
> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:24 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Vacation!


> Was it George Bush Sr. or Clinton who's first act at the
> beginning of the Gulf War was to go on a yacht trip? ...
> I personally don't believe the presidents actions have
> much
> at all in consequence to the troops deployed in any really
> meaningful way... Unless he's deciding to order their
> sudden
> withdrawl. I remember someone saying the explanation of
> the
> afforementioned yacht trip was to appear unthreatened by
> the opponent. Apparently it's supposed to be intimidating
> to
> an enemy when you pretend to ignore them.

> Isaac

> Original Message -----------------------
> http://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=79159&S
> ecID=2

> Um... Is it just me, or does this seem weird?

> Should a President to take a month off while troops are
> deployed and
> fighting in another country?


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