Well, I can respect someone going with the tool that is going to get the 
job done for themselves, but there is a lot of misinformation going on 
about the Mac right now that is starting to aggravate me.  
 
The two big problems I have with Macs right now are that 1) Macs are 
more expensive in terms of hardware, software, what have you, and this 
has not changed, and 2) Macs are not 64 bit computers, and will not be 
for at least two years.  
 
The cost issue is easy to refute. You can find a tricked out Dell 
machine online for about $1200 that is faster and has more hardware 
features than a similar $1600 Mac. 
 
The 64 bit issue needs to be pieced together. Mac has not built a 64 bit 
operating system, they have built a 32 built operating system with 
portions recoded to take advantage of 64 bit features. The hardware 
specifications on the new G5 are impressive, and certainly more advanced 
than most PC offerings right now. But, without software geared to take 
advantage of all the hardware offers, you have something good but not 
great.  
 
It will take Apple at least a year to develop a full blown 64 bit OS, 
which means application support is at least another year off from being 
stable. 
 
Macs, right now, are at the Windows 95 stage, IMHO. They have come up 
with something cool, it will take them time to implement it, and, in the 
mean time, they are making users pay to test their systems. They aren't 
doing users any favors, and, while I will admit they have built some 
powerful machines, they are way off from being able to deliver on what 
their marketing promises. 
 
On the other hand, Windows has a true 64 bit operating system in Windows 
2003 Server. AMD just released its new 64 bit chip which (supposedly) 
Windows 2003 can take advantage of. And various Linux OSes are already 
64 bit, so...  
 
Where's the beef? 
 
M 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:58 AM 
To: CF-Community 
Subject: Re: FW: [FlashLounge] g5 anyone 
 
 
Well, yes.  I do.  I mean, I'm a PC guy, but I have total respect for   
the Mac platform with the advent of OS X.  Also, the G5 hardware is   
prety damn sweet.  You get the best integration I've ever seen (though, 
 
admittedly, there are problems associated with tight integration).  
  
I think that whether the Mac is worth the money is not a question of   
hardware or software value, I think it is a question of personal use   
habits.  If you work better on the Mac, its hardware will stand up to   
most PCs.  If you work better on a PC, you can get a box that stands up 
 
well against the Mac.  
  
So there.  Pthhhhh.  :-)  
  
  
--BenD  
  
Haggerty, Mike wrote:  
  
> Here's another... do people really believe this stuff?  
>   
> M  
>   
> -----Original Message-----  
> From: Helen Glass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:28 AM  
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> Subject: Re: [FlashLounge] g5 anyone  
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>   
> Sure, Macs are expensive upfront, but after adding to a PC all that   
> comes standard with a Mac, IMHO, it's pretty close in price.  
>   
> H  
> On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 04:58  AM, Cedric Muller wrote:  
>   
>   
>>g5 ??  
>>  
>>as soon as I can, but I am really waiting for Darwin on Intel .....  
>>because Macs are too expensive ... (I don't really care about the   
>>'whole' developpers don't port to Mac ... I don't view it as a 100%   
>>true statement .....)  
>>  
>>http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/6.0/release.html  
>>http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/6.0/install.x86.txt  
>>(look for Darwin  x86-compatible)  
>>  
>>take care,  
>>Cedric  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>>This is pointless but fyi..  
>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>  
>>>>I don't know... what pc desktop has a 64bit OS, the power of the   
>>>>dual 2ghz G5 and the innovative design?  
>>>>I don't follow the peecee world that close.  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>It's "PC" man. Because they're cheap and I can build em how I want em 
 
>>>with the manufacturers I choose. To each his own; For what its worth, 
 
>>>I'd kill my brother for a cinema display. :)  
>>>  
>>>  
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