opteron (business model) has been out for months now pre g5.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:13 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: FW: [FlashLounge] g5 anyone
Well, I can respect someone going with the tool that is going to get the
job done for themselves, but there is a lot of misinformation going on
about the Mac right now that is starting to aggravate me.
The two big problems I have with Macs right now are that 1) Macs are
more expensive in terms of hardware, software, what have you, and this
has not changed, and 2) Macs are not 64 bit computers, and will not be
for at least two years.
The cost issue is easy to refute. You can find a tricked out Dell
machine online for about $1200 that is faster and has more hardware
features than a similar $1600 Mac.
The 64 bit issue needs to be pieced together. Mac has not built a 64 bit
operating system, they have built a 32 built operating system with
portions recoded to take advantage of 64 bit features. The hardware
specifications on the new G5 are impressive, and certainly more advanced
than most PC offerings right now. But, without software geared to take
advantage of all the hardware offers, you have something good but not
great.
It will take Apple at least a year to develop a full blown 64 bit OS,
which means application support is at least another year off from being
stable.
Macs, right now, are at the Windows 95 stage, IMHO. They have come up
with something cool, it will take them time to implement it, and, in the
mean time, they are making users pay to test their systems. They aren't
doing users any favors, and, while I will admit they have built some
powerful machines, they are way off from being able to deliver on what
their marketing promises.
On the other hand, Windows has a true 64 bit operating system in Windows
2003 Server. AMD just released its new 64 bit chip which (supposedly)
Windows 2003 can take advantage of. And various Linux OSes are already
64 bit, so...
Where's the beef?
M
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:58 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: FW: [FlashLounge] g5 anyone
Well, yes. I do. I mean, I'm a PC guy, but I have total respect for
the Mac platform with the advent of OS X. Also, the G5 hardware is
prety damn sweet. You get the best integration I've ever seen (though,
admittedly, there are problems associated with tight integration).
I think that whether the Mac is worth the money is not a question of
hardware or software value, I think it is a question of personal use
habits. If you work better on the Mac, its hardware will stand up to
most PCs. If you work better on a PC, you can get a box that stands up
well against the Mac.
So there. Pthhhhh. :-)
--BenD
Haggerty, Mike wrote:
> Here's another... do people really believe this stuff?
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helen Glass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [FlashLounge] g5 anyone
>
>
> Sure, Macs are expensive upfront, but after adding to a PC all that
> comes standard with a Mac, IMHO, it's pretty close in price.
>
> H
> On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 04:58 AM, Cedric Muller wrote:
>
>
>>g5 ??
>>
>>as soon as I can, but I am really waiting for Darwin on Intel .....
>>because Macs are too expensive ... (I don't really care about the
>>'whole' developpers don't port to Mac ... I don't view it as a 100%
>>true statement .....)
>>
>>http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/6.0/release.html
>>http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/6.0/install.x86.txt
>>(look for Darwin x86-compatible)
>>
>>take care,
>>Cedric
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is pointless but fyi..
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't know... what pc desktop has a 64bit OS, the power of the
>>>>dual 2ghz G5 and the innovative design?
>>>>I don't follow the peecee world that close.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's "PC" man. Because they're cheap and I can build em how I want em
>>>with the manufacturers I choose. To each his own; For what its worth,
>>>I'd kill my brother for a cinema display. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>w3. http://www.b-tween.com
>>ph. +41 22 782 38 60
>>mo. +41 79 306 54 70
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