simple systems to just keep track of stuff or get some information nobody
cares about from point A to points B-Z. And this is a career where there is
a lot of room for on-the-job learning, as opposed to brain surgery.
-Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwang Suh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
> It always cracks me up that the only people who say this are the ones who
> have no idea just how much work it is to get some designations.
>
> Hey Bill, you think you can start doing brain surgery tomorrow by reading
a
> book on it? Do you think you'd want someone to operate on you whose only
> training was that? Yeah, that "Doctor" designation doesn't prove
anything -
> only that that person passed a test. Forget the years as a scrub. Forget
> the years studying and passing multiple tests proving that they understand
> how the human body works.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: October 1, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
>
>
> LOL my point was that designations really dont prove anything. Sure it
> is a place to start for some companies
> and it probably is good to have such things but it proves nothing as to
> how good a job someone will do etc.
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:48 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
>
>
> And reading a book about CF proves what? That I'm literate and ???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: October 1, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
>
>
> lol only thing a Designation really proves is a person can pass a test.
> It doesn't prove you would be able to adapt or anything else.
> Though i would agree regardless of the fact it does not prove anything
> it defiantly betters your chances of a job because people who don't know
> enough to judge a persons skills will always fall back on certs or
> designations.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:53 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
>
>
> Akk, I just have to say more about your concerns...
>
> You're making an assumption that only CS degree holders could get a
> desig.
> This does not necessarily have to be the case (in fact, realistically
> this
> would never fly, simply because there's lots of qualified IT people that
> don't have CS degrees, especially older workers).
>
> You're also assuming that only people with desigs could work in IT.
> This
> isn't true either. However, people without desigs could be limited in
> career progress (and, as a result, pay). Some jobs would also not be
> available to them.
>
> In your case, a desig would only end up helping your career. It would
> prove
> that you understand basic (and advanced) computing concepts. It would
> prove
> that you're not a one trick pony. It would prove that you would be able
> to
> adapt to new technologies and ideas in IT - only a few select of us, if
> that, will still be using CF in 20 years.
>
> As for fears about creating some sort of desig mafia, lots of other
> professions that have desigs seem to get along just fine without having
> to
> break people's kneecaps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William H Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: September 30, 2003 5:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
>
>
> so, then those of us with degrees in something other than CS degrees (I
> happen to hold a BFA in Graphic Design and Illustration) would be
> essentially SOL? I've been designing and building web sites since 1995,
> first in straight HTML then server-side JS and now in CF. I can program
> circles around CS degreed folks that are my friends and collegues.
> Doesn't/Won't that count for anything anymore? Sure as hell glad it did
> for me...
>
>
>
> Jeffry Houser wrote:
>
> > I'll agree that w/o education / degrees my brothers would not have
> > engineering jobs.
> >
> > You are saying is that a degree would constitute a designation? I
> can
> > respect that. I suspect over time the industry will force such a
> > thing on
> > itself as employers stop hiring people w/o CS degrees.
> >
> >
> > At 06:05 PM 9/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Subject: CF Salary Range
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:33:21 -0600
> > >Thread:
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> >http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=messages
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> > >
> > >Yes, in the old days, designations were not required for accounting.
> To
> > >progress beyond a certain level (and pay), these days at least some
> sort
> > >of designation is all but required. Not to mention that no one
> > becomes an
> > >Accountant by picking up a book and declaring themselves an
> > >Accountant. This kind of scheme would work well in the IT world.
> > >
> > >As for your 'geer brothers, see if they would have their jobs without
> > >their education. That would be their "designation", as it were.
> > >
> > >Doesn't anyone find it weird that it's IT jobs that get moved, and
> not
> > >engineering/doctor/accounting jobs (or, at least to a lesser
> > >degree)? Perhaps companies don't know how valuable IT people are,
> think
> > >that we're totally interchangable (which we're not) and don't have a
> > good
> > >handle on what quality and kinds of work a specific person can
> provide?
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