blanket generalization and he didn't say that it was "100% true".
If nothing else, that mental aptitude that is proven with a degree (any
degree) is that a person is motivated enough to complete the requirements
for the degree. That person had the time/project management skills to
complete the requirements for that degree.
If nothing else, it proves a certain level of discipline.
Is that to say that only degreed people have discipline? Of course not.
But it's a lot harder to prove to a potential employer without the degree.
Having said that...I'll go ahead and say that I received my BS in
Information Technology with a specialty in Database Mgmt Systems in Feb
2002. Hasn't done squat for me yet :) I'm at the same job I was at before
I got the degree (and given the job market, I'm glad about that), and the
degree hasn't changed anything as far as my pay or opportunities for
advancement. However, I am glad to have it, as I do think it will be
beneficial should I find myself back on the job hunt.
charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:48 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
Some of the smartest and most successful people in history didn't have
degrees. So I don't think that is 100% true.
Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:50 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
May be a strange thing to say, but having a degree usually indicates a
certain mental aptitude.
This is something employers may want to see.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2003 14:40
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
well, if I had to hire a carpenter I would probably prefer the one
with
the
industry designation because I have no basis fo judge otherwise. SO it
is
understandable. Is it in the best interest of everyone inclusing the
employer? Maybe not.
Dana
Bill Wheatley writes:
> lol only thing a Designation really proves is a person can pass a
test.
> It doesn't prove you would be able to adapt or anything else.
> Though i would agree regardless of the fact it does not prove
anything
> it defiantly betters your chances of a job because people who don't
know
> enough to judge a persons skills will always fall back on certs or
> designations.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:53 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: CF Salary Range
>
>
> Akk, I just have to say more about your concerns...
>
> You're making an assumption that only CS degree holders could get a
> desig.
> This does not necessarily have to be the case (in fact,
realistically
> this
> would never fly, simply because there's lots of qualified IT people
that
> don't have CS degrees, especially older workers).
>
> You're also assuming that only people with desigs could work in IT.
> This
> isn't true either. However, people without desigs could be limited
in
> career progress (and, as a result, pay). Some jobs would also not
be
> available to them.
>
> In your case, a desig would only end up helping your career. It
would
> prove
> that you understand basic (and advanced) computing concepts. It
would
> prove
> that you're not a one trick pony. It would prove that you would be
able
> to
> adapt to new technologies and ideas in IT - only a few select of us,
if
> that, will still be using CF in 20 years.
>
> As for fears about creating some sort of desig mafia, lots of other
> professions that have desigs seem to get along just fine without
having
> to
> break people's kneecaps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William H Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: September 30, 2003 5:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
>
>
> so, then those of us with degrees in something other than CS degrees
(I
> happen to hold a BFA in Graphic Design and Illustration) would be
> essentially SOL? I've been designing and building web sites since
1995,
> first in straight HTML then server-side JS and now in CF. I can
program
> circles around CS degreed folks that are my friends and collegues.
> Doesn't/Won't that count for anything anymore? Sure as hell glad it
did
> for me...
>
>
>
> Jeffry Houser wrote:
>
> > I'll agree that w/o education / degrees my brothers would not
have
> > engineering jobs.
> >
> > You are saying is that a degree would constitute a designation?
I
> can
> > respect that. I suspect over time the industry will force such a
> > thing on
> > itself as employers stop hiring people w/o CS degrees.
> >
> >
> > At 06:05 PM 9/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Subject: CF Salary Range
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:33:21 -0600
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> > >
> > >Yes, in the old days, designations were not required for
accounting.
> To
> > >progress beyond a certain level (and pay), these days at least
some
> sort
> > >of designation is all but required. Not to mention that no one
> > becomes an
> > >Accountant by picking up a book and declaring themselves an
> > >Accountant. This kind of scheme would work well in the IT world.
> > >
> > >As for your 'geer brothers, see if they would have their jobs
without
> > >their education. That would be their "designation", as it were.
> > >
> > >Doesn't anyone find it weird that it's IT jobs that get moved,
and
> not
> > >engineering/doctor/accounting jobs (or, at least to a lesser
> > >degree)? Perhaps companies don't know how valuable IT people
are,
> think
> > >that we're totally interchangable (which we're not) and don't
have a
> > good
> > >handle on what quality and kinds of work a specific person can
> provide?
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