of lipstick into a life and death situation? No.
I have taught self-defense to women who have been in bad situations. Mugged,
raped, what have you. We had a serial rapist in Minneapolis attacking nurses
in parking lots, and I helped to do awareness workshops of what to do and
what not to do. The hardest part to teach was when to fight and when not to.
In many cases, a situation that is easily, even triviably, survivable is
aggravated by fighting for one's principles (struggling for the purse) and
thus escalating the situation.
A "good samaritan" can just as easily cause the situation to escalate. One
of the lessons I've learned is that violence creates violence. Sometimes
it's not a question of putting aside self-interest or not, but a question of
principles vs. principles. Better to suffer the humiliation of a little loss
in order to preserve a life as a whole than to protect trivial property and
cause greater harm.
But it's not cut and dry. Each situation is different and requires a snap
decision that checks those scales. And in my experience, it's not always an
easy call to make.
-Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: mugging in cmh
> Force. The basis of both actions is force. Violating the chosen path of
> the victim. Of course the degrees are far different, but the basic
ethical
> question is the same. Does one person have the right to force another to
do
> something they don't want to do? If not do we as citizens have a
> responsibility to defend the victim?
>
> I say we do. I am sure that Paul was not the only person on the street. I
> don't think it was his personal failure, rather a failure on a much higher
> level. I think our society fails tests like this all the time. The same
> self interest that keeps many from joining the military keeps them from
> acting in these situations. There are times to put self interest aside.
>
> I must also admit that I am automatically biased against Paul with his
> earlier admissions about being unable to support our
> military...............................................
>
> Timothy Heald
> Information Systems Manager
> Overseas Security Advisory Council
> U.S. Department of State
> 571.345.2319
>
> The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S.
> Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have these
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:30 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: mugging in cmh
>
>
> Well,
>
> I think a child being raped and someone stealing a wallet is on
> opposite sides of the spectrum. If I ever saw anyone touching a child in
> that way I wouldn't hesitate to stop them. Someone losing some money I
> would think twice before actually trying to grab them. I would help by
> calling the police.
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:16 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: mugging in cmh
>
> Yeah, a lot if states have new laws to prohibit the practice.
>
> However I still don't think that relieves any of us of the
> responsibility to
> come to the aid of those around in situations like this.
>
> I mean I remember not long ago when I a child was raped in New York on
> the
> side of a road and people just went about their business.
>
> It sickens me.
>
> Timothy Heald
> Information Systems Manager
> Overseas Security Advisory Council
> U.S. Department of State
> 571.345.2319
>
> The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S.
> Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have these
> opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This e-mail
> is
> unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prince Critter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: mugging in cmh
>
> oi Nick!!
>
> ummmm haven't criminals been successful in suing ppl that have
> injured them during home
> invasions.... and/or shit like that?
>
> --
>
> ------------------------------------
> Monday, October 27, 2003, 9:40:28 AM, you wrote:
>
> NM> Doubt you would be charged unless you did some real damage.
>
> NM> The thief can always turn around and sue you, however, its going to
> be
> hard
> NM> to make a case work if he was fleeing the scene of a crime that he
> had
> NM> committed.
>
> NM> -----Original Message-----
> NM> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> NM> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:31 AM
> NM> To: CF-Community
> NM> Subject: RE: mugging in cmh
>
> NM> Hmm...
>
> NM> Let's say that you DO decide to be the upstanding citizen with no
> fear
> NM> type, and chase after the robber...and corner him...
> NM> and then kick the sh** out of him to get him to give back the item,
> or
> NM> otherwise impede his progress.
>
> NM> In America, would you stand to be charged? Could that thief then
> turn
> NM> around and sue you?
>
> NM> Are you as a citizen protected by any laws for coming to the aid of
> NM> another citizen in this case, after the robbery has already been
> NM> committed, and the thief is getting away?
>
> NM> -Gel
>
> NM>
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