looking for it. Plus when your on active duty you hear a lot of stuff that
isn't classified, but doesn't make the papers. The press wanted us in
Kosovo, Bosnia, Serbia, and Macedonia. They want us in the Sinai.
Noble Eagle (Kosovo) had Marine and Army deaths. MFO (Egypt) had hundreds
of deaths on the second rotation, mainly from a C-130 crash. I know there
were also a lot from land mines.
People on the DMZ in Korea still get in the occasional firefight. In Egypt
there are unexploded ordinances all over the place, and Americans are killed
by them. In Kosovo the US lost several helicopters and their crews, as well
as infantry guys (H-Minus, All the way) from my battalion.
JSOC doesn't release specific numbers of covert operations. So that's
Columbia (well all of S. America) Afghanistan (over 300 deaths from a book I
am reading by a special tactics combat controller) Indonesia, and "actions
other than war".
Here is one good resource. If you look you'll see, by having troops in
harms way we are actually losing less soldiers.
http://www.dior.whs.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf
<http://www.dior.whs.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf>
In 1980 (no wars going on) you had a total of 2,392 deaths. 1,556 were in
accidents. In 2002 (two wars, multiple peace keeping actions) 1,007 total
deaths, 538 from accidents. So that's less than half. And if you look at
the total manning strengths you see the army is only about 30-40% smaller
Want to know the highest cause of death in the peacetime army? Drinking
related incidents. This can be anything from driving drunk, fighting,
swimming, or just other stupid drunk army tricks :)
I'll tell you one other thing. I know a lot of guys still on active duty
either in a' Stan or Iraq. A lot of them are happy to be there. It's game
day man. You try training for something your whole life and then sitting on
the bench during the finals.
Timothy Heald
Web Portfolio Manager
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:45 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re:2004 Candidate matcher
Tim, since you seem to be an expert on this topic, and no one else has any
idea, can you give me specific numbers of US troops lost in Kosovo and
Bosnia over the past day, week, month and year?
And can you give me an idea of how they died?
I am curious, and since I can't ask anyone else, I am hoping you will pass
on your knowledge.
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/30/03 11:28AM >>>
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Don't talk about this. You don't know what you're talking about. The 82nd
is currently losing fewer troops than it does during regular training
rotations from jumps and training accidents.
We loose people in Eastern Europe, and in Asia, you just don't hear about
it. You don't hear about the people we lose in support of our foolish drug
war. You don't hear about the people we lose in Indonesia fighting
Islamists there. The reason you're hearing about the deaths in Iraq is a
political one.
<snip>
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