Dana
>
>Once again your literary skills astound and amaze. I am not really sure
>what you are trying to say here. Are you really foolish enough to believe
>that we are not at war? Why because it isn't declared?
>
>"Much less I was talking about losses in the military not your former
>division alone."
>
>I wasn't either. The numbers I sent in were for the entire army. I was
>only using personal experience to illustrate the point.
>
>"People who are a little open minded and do not have a hard head and can
>think freely will always change views. Only a person who is stubborn and
>does not like change will never change their stances or views on anything.
>Back when we were going to invade Iraq I said I guess its the right thing to
>do at the time while in the same breathe
>saying how terrible the bush administration is because its a fact they are.
>Besides if you think about it there will always be 2 sides to the most
>commonly held opinion. There will be the republican (Right wing) side and
>the democratic (left wing) side."
>
>People who take the time to make a reasoned decision on an issue will not
>often change their mind. They will have weighed the pros and cons of the
>issue and will usually stick with their ideals and beliefs. That being said,
>under factual weight, with information I didn't have when I formed my
>initial thoughts, I can certainly change my mind. Also you insist on
>labeling me as a Bush supporter. I am not. Nor am I a Democrat. Right and
>left are not the only sides to the issues we are facing.
>
>"If you think Clinton was as bad as bush really go fight his war for him and
>think you're doing something for a great man who should be on mount
>Rushmore"
>
>Honestly, I think Bush has probably done more harm than Clinton. We are
>talking about shades of gray now. Why should we continue to choose the
>lesser of two evils?
>
>"But don't you dare ever EVER say or even think you are better then someone
>because you served in the military because that's a crock of shit dude.
>That's elitist crap and its hogwash if I ever saw it."
>
>Elitist. Yes I am. I don't pretend that there are no classes in our
>society.
>
>"As for responsibility if someone attacked our country and they needed me I
>would be the next person in line to go out but when you have a family you
>know its not always that easy to do."
>
>We were attacked. Our military is also dangerously low for men. We do
>still have troops in a' Stan you know. The Taliban and Al Quaida are still
>out there. As are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Ansar Islam, The Muslim
>Brotherhood, and all kinds of other groups that wish to do harm against
>America.
>
>"And my reasons for not going through with Perdue are my own and nobody
>else's and how dare you try to judge me because of it."
>
>Self conscious? I didn't know anything or say anything about your
>education. I can't. I didn't even graduate high school.
>
>"i'm tim i have access to stats that normal people don't get oh yes we had
>so many people dieing in training accidents. OH yes on training duty and
>such we always had to worry about the crazy man with a bomb driving into our
>building"
>
>I sent in my stats in an earlier email. I do have access to confidential
>information, but I could and would never use it in so irresponsible a
>manner. Also do you know anything about infantry and airborne training?
>Are you saying that I was a garrison trooper? Look at the history of C co
>2/505th PIR between 1998 and 2001. At the time we were the most deployed
>battalion in the U.S. Army. When did I say anything about bombs? Or
>anything that I may have done operationally in the Army, other than mention
>what unit I was in, and what training I had to go through to get there?
>Tell me Bill, what is LRSD. What do we do? Apparently I am either making
>up my career (and I have a DD214 if you'd like it, and jump log) or it's not
>hard to do at all. Hell it's basically just the boy scouts with camo right?
>
>Why you Bill? Why can I debate with Larry and Dana? Because they debate,
>they have reasons for believing what they do. They don't just spew back
>what they heard on the evening news, or around the water cooler. I have
>seen you flip flop on issues time and again. I have sat and listen to you
>complain about what's happening to you, never hearing about you doing
>anything for yourself. I have read your attacks against people on many
>different occasions. How does it feel Bill?
>
>Loathe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 3:08 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: 2004 Candidate matcher
>
>
> that's bullshit my views are what I decide is right and if you want to
> be a dick and start putting me down well hopefully you won't die in the
> line of duty for a president who
> is in risking throwing our country into another Vietnam for a reason
> even stupider then Vietnam was.
> Do we loose 10-15 soldiers a week in regular duty?? If so show me the
> #'s. You can do all your preaching that you served in the military but
> it doesn't make you one lick better then anyone else. I've seen studies
> that only people who really have no other future enlist into the
> military you don't see me using that to say oh you were too stupid to do
> anything but go into the military and you were a loser. I was in the
> process of joining the navy and in the process of a scholarship to
> Perdue and navy rotc but because I opted for a private job doesn't mean
> jack shit. And as well as the fact that we're not at war, we're in a
> conflict because of our president I saw support given for him to do what
> he had to do but we're not in a state of war big difference, though the
> republicans and bush administration does not choose to think that way.
>
>
> I liked you alot but for you to start saying shit like that, hell no.
> Much less I was talking about losses in the military not your former
> division alone. People who are a little open minded and do not have a
> hard head and can think freely will always change views. Only a person
> who is stubborn and does not like change will never change their stances
> or views on anything. Back when we were going to invade Iraq I said I
> guess its the right thing to do at the time while in the same breathe
> saying how terrible the bush administration is because its a fact they
> are. Besides if you think about it there will always be 2 sides to the
> most commonly held opinion. There will be the republican (Right wing)
> side and the democratic (left wing) side. On gun control I'm on the
> republican side, on bush I'm on the democratic side etc etc down the
> line. If you think Clinton was as bad as bush really go fight his war
> for him and think you're doing something for a great man who should be
> on mount Rushmore.
>
>
> But don't you dare ever EVER say or even think you are better then
> someone because you served in the military because that's a crock of
> shit dude. That's elitist crap and its hogwash if I ever saw it. You
> know I liked you alot but people who put me down and talk shit about me
> screw that I don't need that. I'm sorry you're going through rought
> times and all but that's no excuse to be a jerk dude, or whatever reason
> you have is. As for responsibility if someone attacked our country and
> they needed me I would be the next person in line to go out but when you
> have a family you know its not always that easy to do. And my reasons
> for not going through with Perdue are my own and nobody else's and how
> dare you try to judge me because of it. So does it mean since I didn't
> go into the military I am not as good as you? GRR man WTF that was
> really upsetting to me with what a dick you were being to me? I mean you
> can debate Dana till you're blue in the face but with me you just throw
> personal attacks oh yes all the porn and games I jerk off to WTF man
> Jesus. And to even think you have the knowledge or even the right to say
> I swing to whatever the popular opinion is. OHH I wasn't in the military
> i don't know anything, but i'm tim i have access to stats that normal
> people don't get oh yes we had so many people dieing in training
> accidents. OH yes on training duty and such we always had to worry about
> the crazy man with a bomb driving into our building. LOL
>
> Thats messed up
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Wheatley
> Senior Database Developer
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:28 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re:2004 Candidate matcher
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> There is a check box in Outlook that has it automatically spell check
> everything you send out.
>
> "what did Clinton do that came anywhere close to the USA Patriot Act?"
>
> Echelon anyone? http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm, no
> knock searches on federal low-income housing? Mandatory sentencing for
> drug offenders?
>
> "i don't recall getting our country embroiled into a foreign conflict
> that is starting to stretch on with the looks of stretching on
> indefinately."
>
> Kosovo? Bosnia? They don't look to be ending either.
>
> "We might not have had to fight china because of our Last presidents
> charisma and his ability to get deals done and work things out"
>
> If you call sending them every single U.S. patent on CDs and selling
> them a naval base on U.S. property, through which they were caught
> smuggling in hundreds of Ak-47s getting things done. I am still not
> comfortable with the counter Intel investigations that took part during
> his presidency.
>
> "The current president has been anti-un for the most part"
>
> And this is bad why?
>
> "becoming more belligerant and becoming if you aren't with us you're
> aganist us"
>
> That's how I feel. Remember nations don't have friends, they have
> interests, and if your not doing what we want, you're working against
> our interests.
>
> "You are talking about going back onto active duty do you really want to
> be embroiled in Iraq for the foreseeable future with a much more real
> threat of dieing on any given day as opposed to standard non-war
> footing"
>
> Don't talk about this. You don't know what you're talking about. The
> 82nd is currently losing fewer troops than it does during regular
> training rotations from jumps and training accidents. We loose people
> in Eastern Europe, and in Asia, you just don't hear about it. You don't
> hear about the people we lose in support of our foolish drug war. You
> don't hear about the people we lose in Indonesia fighting Islamists
> there. The reason you're hearing about the deaths in Iraq is a
> political one.
>
> I don't want to go and fight anyone's war. I want to defend the young
> troops we have in the ranks. I want to take what I have learned and
> used to try and protect some of my closest friends. Finally, our
> country is at war. I don't have to agree with the reasons for that war.
> The authorized, constitutional head of our armed forces put them in
> harms way. That's enough for me. I am sorry Bill that you don't feel
> that responsibility.
>
> Might take away from you're video game and porn time I guess.
>
> I don't know why I even bother arguing with you. You are spoon fed by
> the media. Your views sway in the wind with what you perceive is the
> most commonly held opinion.
>
> Loathe
>
> >Hrm but what did clinton do that came anywhere close to the USA Patriot
> >Act?
> >And the china stuff i don't recall getting our country embroiled into a
> >foreign conflict that is starting to stretch on with the looks of
> >stretching on indefinately.
> >We might not have had to fight china because of our Last presidents
> >charisma and his ability to get deals done and work things out. Unlike
> >our current president who within weeks of taking office ripped apart
> all
> >the good work done by previous presidents in helping to make alliances
> >and bond the united states with europe and other parts of the world.
> The
> >current president has been anti-un for the most part, anti rest of the
> >world. After 9/11 he became even more so becoming more belligerant and
> >becoming if you aren't with us you're aganist us. You are talking about
> >going back onto active duty do you really want to be embroiled in Iraq
> >for the forseeable future with a much more real threat of dieing on any
> >given day as opposed to standard non-war footing? Dieing for your
> >country is all fine and dandy but remember pattons wonderful quote.
> "The
> >object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other
> >bastard die for his."
> >
> >--
> >Bill Wheatley
> >Senior Database Developer
> >eDiets.com, Inc.
> >(OTCBB: EDET)
> >3801 W. Hillsboro Blvd.
> >Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
> >V: (954) 360-9022 ext. 159
> >F: (954) 360-9095
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> >
> >
> _____
>
>
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