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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Damascus Holiday Inn...
OK, you're right, I take it all back and I wish that we didn't have any
security at the border at all. Hell, why not just build a people mover
from Afganistan and Iraq straight to my house. It doesn't matter now, I
know that there is nobody trying to get into the US from anywhere else
to blow us up. Now that you've set me straight, I realize that those
are a peace loving people and we've got no reason to blame anybody
except ourselves for the numerous exposions that happen in our world.
Yes, you're missing a whole lot. Who said there was a link between 911
and Canada? Who said that it was Canada's duty to stop anybody?
Personally, I don't give a crap who enters Canada as long as the
terrorists don't come here. Actually, I'm a proponent of building a
giant wall (ala The Great Wall of China) that reaches into the depths of
outer space to keep out idiots and keep American jobs in.
UGH.
- Matt Small
---- Original Message -----
From: Dharmesh Goel
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: The Damascus Holiday Inn...
I guess that is why Pat Buchanan still has an audience. There was no
link between the 19 hijackers and Canada. Whose duty is to patrol the
border on the American side? Am I missing something. The same can be
said about crossing from Mexico or by boat/ship. So you have a guy here
in Canada who suddenly decides he has a beef with the US and decides to
cross over. Suddenly it is Canada's duty to stop him from crossing the
border?!?. In the case of Ahmed Ressam your system of border checks
worked as it should. There are agencies in Canada like RCMP and CSIS
always on the look out for such people and trying to infiltrate their
groups.
Perception of the security situation and reality on ground are very
different. After every scare mongering tactic/warnings/articles by the
administration/media, there are rarely retractions. You can draw your
own conclusions after reading the two articles I posted before. You had
Hillary Clinton misleading your people. "Transfer" of problems is a very
common psychological "defense mechanism" on a personal level. The same
is being applied on a national level.
Dharmesh
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:16 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Excuse me, I meant that Middle-Eastern Terrorists are known to come
into the US via Canada. This was publicized on national news shows after
911. Gosh, with this kind of story, if I were a terrorist, I would go
through Canada - why would I even take the chance on being taken in at
US Customs only to be deported and tortured? The fact that it has a
HUGE unpatrolled border with the US makes it a prime entry target.
Whether or not you believe it that is a matter of personal choice. I'm
sure there's documentation on it where it did happen as well your
documentation below.
- Matthew Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Dharmesh Goel
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Hi Mathew,
I strongly disagree with
"The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to
come into the US via Canada."
This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people will
start believing it. The last time I checked, borders are manned and
controlled by US Immigration and customs at points of entry.
Here is a discussion on this:
http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_bucha
nan.html
Another article:
http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html
Tons of discussion on this topic out there in cyberspace.
Some excerpts
------------------------
DISCLOSURE: I'm sure you remember this whole incident over the New
Year period, where there was this alert that there were five men in the
United States.
BUCHANAN: Mm hmm.
DISCLOSURE: And reports were that they had come from Canada, somehow
related to terrorism.
BUCHANAN: And it was a hoax.
DISCLOSURE: And it was a hoax.
BUCHANAN: Right.
DISCLOSURE: So, what do you make of that?
BUCHANAN: Well it was a hoax but [laugh] they probably felt that
because it was from Canada it would be believed, is my guess.
DISCLOSURE: Well is that fair?
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DISCLOSURE: -you've got a situation in this country where you had 19
hijackers coming through the front door, now where's the problem?
BUCHANAN: Well it -Look the- Clearly the United States is the
target. And they come into our airports, they come through Canada, they
come through Mexico, so let's tighten-
DISCLOSURE: Well they- who comes through Canada?
BUCHANAN: Well- Look. We've already been over this, but-
DISCLOSURE: Who comes through Canada though? Has there been an
incident with somebody who comes through-
BUCHANAN: Well there are many terrorists as you know, so, [laugh]
that have been sitting there almost operating freely-
DISCLOSURE: Well-
BUCHANAN: -up in Canada.
DISCLOSURE: Well so you say, but where's the terrorist incidents?
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Dharmesh
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:38 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious situation, plain and
simple. I didn't agree with the fact that he was tortured or deported.
I said it was suspicious and I believe the right thing to do is to
question further. You don't have to give me one, the one taints the
other two. I don't like a lot of things going on with this kind of
interrogation, but they were right on the money in detaining him for
further questioning. Bigoted? How about realistic. Lots of people
have been "further questioned" for far less, including myself. I'm a
young white southern male.
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Raymond Camden
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
1) A middle-easterner living in Canada.
So, is Canada just a bunch of white guys?
2) Coming back from a Middle-Eastern country.
So all Middle-Eastern countries are under suspicion now?
3) Known contact with a terrorist.
Wasn't he a suspected, not proven terrorist? Wasn't the contact
from
years ago? I can maybe give you this one, but the other two are
simply
wrong. Bigoted at worst.
-rc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:40 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>
> A Middle-Easterner living in Canada, coming back from a
> Middle-Eastern country, known contact with Middle-Eastern
> terrorists. That's suspicious. I didn't say guilty, I said
> suspicious.
>
> - Matt Small
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raymond Camden
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
> Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>
> > I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
> > stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
>
> Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic
> country. Is
> that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of times
> a day? Is it
> suspicious to fly home?
>
> -ray
>
>
>
>
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