we'd go through, but it would have to be for a very very good reason.
larry
>The terror camp in Oregon was also connected to groups in Canada. Funny
>though. Larry mentions the Canadians breaking up rings of terrorists in
>Canada, but we shouldn't be afraid of terrorists coming in from Canada?
>
>
>By the way Larry. I also lived in Canada. the borders out west are far
>more porous than your implying. B.C. and Alberta are not swaps. Also as a
>former infantryman, how many swamps did you wade through when you had to?
>These guys consider themselves soldiers too, and are willing to die. You
>think they won't hump cross country to do what they need to do?
>
>Timothy Heald
>Web Portfolio Manager
>Overseas Security Advisory Council
>U.S. Department of State
>571.345.2319
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:48 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>I thought Tim already did that. Do I need to find a thousand more instances
>or will his do? I distinctly remember that instance as the US was worried
>that an attack would happen on the new millenium eve, and in fact that's
>what I was thinking of when I wrote it. After 911, there was a lot of talk
>that terrorists would come into the US from Canada. I don't know where this
>intelligence came from, but it was in the nightly news. I'm not making up
>lies, there's at least this one instance and I'm sure there are more.
>
>You're saying that the entire 3000+ mile border between the US and Canada is
>entirely unnavigable by foot? OK, that's ridiculous - you're making
>assertions that are unfounded. I'm sure you haven't been along the entire
>length of the border. My assumption that it is possible to traverse the
>border in an unattended area somewhere is far more plausible than your
>assumption that it's not.
>
>- Matt Small
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
> The please show this so-called documentation, just don't make assertions
> about it. Just saying its so doesn't make it true.
>
> I take it you've never been to the border, yes there are areas where it is
>
> difficult to patrol, for very good reason, its swamp and rock. Its not
> something where you can just stroll through. Even the locals in these
> places would not try to go through the areas. I know I spent a lot of time
>
> as a kid in northwestern Ontario very close to the border. It went through
>
> areas where you don't want to go through, unless you have no qualms about
> being up to your neck in swamp and bog.
>
> larry
>
> At 12:15 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
> >Excuse me, I meant that Middle-Eastern Terrorists are known to come into
> >the US via Canada. This was publicized on national news shows after 911.
> >Gosh, with this kind of story, if I were a terrorist, I would go through
> >Canada - why would I even take the chance on being taken in at US Customs
>
> >only to be deported and tortured? The fact that it has a HUGE
>unpatrolled
> >border with the US makes it a prime entry target. Whether or not you
> >believe it that is a matter of personal choice. I'm sure there's
> >documentation on it where it did happen as well your documentation below.
> >
> >- Matthew Small
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dharmesh Goel
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> > Hi Mathew,
> >
> > I strongly disagree with
> >
> > "The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
> > into the US via Canada."
> >
> > This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people will
> > start believing it. The last time I checked, borders are manned and
> > controlled by US Immigration and customs at points of entry.
> >
> > Here is a discussion on this:
> >
>
>
>><http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_buchana
>n.html>http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_bu
>chanan.html
> >
> > Another article:
> >
>
>
>><http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html>http://ww
>w.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html
> >
> > Tons of discussion on this topic out there in cyberspace.
> >
> > Some excerpts
> > ------------------------
> > DISCLOSURE: I'm sure you remember this whole incident over the New
>Year
> > period, where there was this alert that there were five men in the
>United
> > States.
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Mm hmm.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: And reports were that they had come from Canada, somehow
> > related to terrorism.
> >
> > BUCHANAN: And it was a hoax.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: And it was a hoax.
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Right.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: So, what do you make of that?
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well it was a hoax but [laugh] they probably felt that
> > because it was from Canada it would be believed, is my guess.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well is that fair?
> >
> > ------------------------
> > DISCLOSURE: -you've got a situation in this country where you had 19
> > hijackers coming through the front door, now where's the problem?
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well it -Look the- Clearly the United States is the target.
> > And they come into our airports, they come through Canada, they come
> > through Mexico, so let's tighten-
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well they- who comes through Canada?
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well- Look. We've already been over this, but-
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Who comes through Canada though? Has there been an
>incident
> > with somebody who comes through-
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well there are many terrorists as you know, so, [laugh] that
>
> > have been sitting there almost operating freely-
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well-
> >
> > BUCHANAN: -up in Canada.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well so you say, but where's the terrorist incidents?
> > ---------------------
> >
> > Dharmesh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:38 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> > The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
> > into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious situation, plain and
> > simple. I didn't agree with the fact that he was tortured or
> > deported. I said it was suspicious and I believe the right thing to do
> > is to question further. You don't have to give me one, the one taints
>the
> > other two. I don't like a lot of things going on with this kind of
> > interrogation, but they were right on the money in detaining him for
> > further questioning. Bigoted? How about realistic. Lots of people
>have
> > been "further questioned" for far less, including myself. I'm a young
> > white southern male.
> >
> > - Matt Small
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Raymond Camden
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> > Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
> >
> > 1) A middle-easterner living in Canada.
> >
> > So, is Canada just a bunch of white guys?
> >
> > 2) Coming back from a Middle-Eastern country.
> >
> > So all Middle-Eastern countries are under suspicion now?
> >
> > 3) Known contact with a terrorist.
> >
> > Wasn't he a suspected, not proven terrorist? Wasn't the contact from
> > years ago? I can maybe give you this one, but the other two are
>simply
> > wrong. Bigoted at worst.
> >
> > -rc
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:40 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > >
> > >
> > > A Middle-Easterner living in Canada, coming back from a
> > > Middle-Eastern country, known contact with Middle-Eastern
> > > terrorists. That's suspicious. I didn't say guilty, I said
> > > suspicious.
> > >
> > > - Matt Small
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Raymond Camden
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
> > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
> > > > stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
> > >
> > > Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic
> > > country. Is
> > > that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of times
> > > a day? Is it
> > > suspicious to fly home?
> > >
> > > -ray
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >----------
> >[
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