certain things that are always right and wrong, but I feel that the majority
of morals and ethics come from our community or society. Over time we have
found rules that can generally let us live peacefully with our neighbors.
I do not see the need for organized religion at this time. I don't have
anything against it, but I don't need it to teach my kids right from wrong.
They came for the Communists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a
Communist;
They came for the Socialists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a
Socialist;
They came for the labor leaders, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a labor
leader;
They came for the Jews, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Jew;
Then they came for me - And there was no one left to object.
- Martin Niemoller, German Protestant Pastor, 1892-1984
You guys have watched my politics evolve over the past few years. As I have
read more and come to my own conclusions I have come to realize that if we
are going to become embroiled in international affairs time and again we
must fight the good fight. I would still prefer that we go back to our more
nationalist/isolationist roots, but that is not to be. To live in this
global world we must take some responsibility for those around us, if only
to protect ourselves. When I sit and I hear this garbage I can see how
easily the Germans, Albanians, Rwandans, Russians, Chinese amongst others,
allowed themselves to be lulled into evil.
Not on my watch. I have said before that many of the problems we discuss
here are simply the symptoms of far larger issues that we ignore. Simple
ignorance like this is one of the greatest of the problems on earth for it
allows evil men to commit evil deeds.
Or Greg just didn't realize what he was saying, or I just need a nap.
The funniest thing in al of this is that I don't know what I think about the
movie. I certainly support his right to have made it. I hope it's not
filled with hate. I haven't seen it. I will because I love controversy.
--
Timothy Heald
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Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
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-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:18 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The catholic church (final thoughts on gibson)
You may be correct about the injustices and evils that the catholic
church has wrought on the world over time, as have many ruling political
institutions.
However, do you see any need at all for organised religion of any form
in the world today?
Where did your notion of 'morality', right and wrong, and a basis for
the system of ethics by which you now live in western society,
ultimately come from?
-Gel
-----Original Message-----
From: Heald, Tim
I took my first communion and confirmation. The only reason they got to
me
then was because I was young and inexperienced.
Funny what I remember is that pagan Ireland kept history and
civilization
alive when the catholic church plunged Europe into the dark ages.
Again,
where are you getting your facts from?
Open a book. Open your mind.
--
Timothy Heald
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