> However all too often punishment only serves to reward the person doing
the
> punishment.


Grounding your children also grounds the parent.
Spanking you children hurts the parent both emotionally and physically.
Taking things away only increases the amount of time the parent has to deal
with a nagging child.
Talking with you child is always good but not always an adequate form of
punishment.


So what happens when the child doesn't start behaving after a talk? Do we
get a psychiatrist?


I don't think we should beet the Sh__ out of our children, but older
generation turned out ok and their punishment was scheduled events in the
Wood Shed. You don't see many of them running around waiving guns at each
other.


I think it went wrong when some psychologist said you shouldn't spank you
child, try "tough love". So now the child has nothing bad to associate with
bad behavior.


Let's go steal stereos tonight. What's the worst that could happen, a drive
through the park?


Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:15 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: TOUGH LOVE vs SPANKING


The photo is also very blank.

The problem with physical punishment is that it reinforces the punishing
behavior by the person spanking the kid. Given classic reinforcement theory
then, you're more likely to physically punish the kid again.

This isn't to say that spanking should not be used, but you should be very
careful about using it. Speaking like former psychologist here. When I've
done behavioral analyses on similar situations, I've found that if done
right punishment usually serves to disrupt the behavior long enough for
learning to take place, theoretically. Then you can set things up to allow
for more acceptable competing behaviors to be reinforced.

However all too often punishment only serves to reward the person doing the
punishment.

But what you're doing is probably as effective in most situations.

larry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:06 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: TOUGH LOVE vs SPANKING
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>  Much has been said about "tough love" for misbehaving children.
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> Most of America's populace thinks it very improper to spank
> children, so my spouse and I have tried other methods to
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> One that we found very effective is for me just take the
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> They usually calm down and stop misbehaving after our little
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