I have to agree. CF5 on Windows was and is far more stable than CF7
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We do a lot of work with third party developers. So, the problems we run into are not usually of our own making, which can make troubleshooting issues much more difficult than it needs to be. In fact, one customer in particular inherited a lot of very large, poorly designed sites from a failing host. Though the sites performed fine on ColdFusion 5/Windows 2000 at the old host, they generally didn't do so well on ColdFusion MX/Windows Server 2003. Most of the issues can be attributed to iffy coding practices. However, it wasn't always the developer's fault. Many of pages were hit hard by the performance issue documented in the following TechNote: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19588 That TechNote was only published a few months ago. We've also had problems with the default JVM heap size settings, case sensitivy issues, and a host of other things. For sites developed on Linux, the case sensitivity issues are generally a moot point. But, for Windows developers, they can cause a good deal of head scratching. Anyway, like I said, I'm not trying to push all of our customers to Linux. I'm just pointing out that, if you're familiar with the Unix environment and/or J2EE, Linux is probably a good choice. I feel that ColdFusion MX on Windows is not as comfortable a fit as ColdFusion 5 on Windows was. As far as the claims that Linux has better manageability/stability/reliability/whatever, well, I think each person's mileage may vary. The RHEL 3 box we tore down a few months back was by far the most troublesome server we've ever hosted. Just trying to get a JVM up and running on it took an act of God. Actually, it took disabling NPTL via the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL setting. But finding that little bit of knowledge on the IBM site took days of my life. Once the box was up and running (on 2 year old hardware because it didn't support any recent motherboard chipsets or SATA RAID), it required far more attention and patching than any Windows box I've ever hosted. I'm certainly not sorry to see it go. I realize that you folks are probably not talking about using a RedHat or Suse distribution. If you're willing to go with a more community supported distribution, you'll probably have better luck with hardware support. But that wasn't a choice for us on this particular box (which was hosting the SAP J2EE Engine and Portal Server). In general, I'd say that commercial products -- software and hardware -- are more likely to support RHEL and Suse. So, you better be willing to do a lot of extra work installing and configuring software if you choose a community supported distribution. Your best bet is probably to choose one of the RH knock offs. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald "Coz" Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:28 PM > To: CF-Server > Subject: Re: Linux vs Windows for CF Server? > > Huh, I have not had any of the problems that Ben Rogers experienced. CFMX > has been running glitch free on my 2003 web edition production box for > about a year now. Wait, CF hung with a Jrun error yesterday. That has been > the only issue so far. > > I have been contemplating running CF on a Linux platform for quite some > time. I am particularly interested in running it on Centos Linux > http://www.centos.org/. > > The main issue that I have with Linux is my use of C++ CFX tags. I have so > many site/apps running C++ CFX tags that It would be cost prohibitive to > go find the java equivalents and rewrite the apps. I havent been shopping > for CFX's in a while so I cant tell you what is avalible. > > Another issue you should consider is security, server maintenance and TOC. > Being a small shop with limited time and resources, time is at a premium. > Unless you have a lot of experience and/or you have someone who can lock > it down and maintain it properly, the learning curve is pretty steep. > > Another issue to be aware of is that Linux can be a real time bandit. I > have been using Linux (Redhat) for about 3-4 years now and experience has > taught me that one of the major pains in the butt for Linux is adding > software. Not being a big fan of prepackaged binaries, I found that > hunting down dependencies in order to install an app can be a nightmare. I > have spent days at a time hunting down dependencies so I could use this or > that function/Mod in PHP/Apache. > > As far as performance goes, I read a long time ago that CF 5 on Linux out > performed Windows. In general, Linux has lot less overhead than Windows > and be configured/built to be very streamline and resource efficient. This > too is also a matter of knowing what you are doing. > > Another non CF issue to consider is that there are a LOT more open source > apps available for *nix servers than there are for Windows. I was trying > to hunt down a decent Web Mail app to run on my Windows server and found > that there were dozens of apps for *nix and all the *good* ones were > written for *nix. It was real slim pickings for windows and the *nix apps > had more features accross the board. > > The one thing I learned is that since linux is built from thousands of > (interdependant) components it is a lot more configurable and powerfull > than windows. You can build linux to run from a floppy or have an install > base of several gigs. Howerver, with that many options/componants there is > a LOT more to learn. > > That is my 2 cents. > > thanx, > Coz > > ================================ > Gerald "Coz" Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Coztech Communications http://www.coztech.com > 3765 Maria Circle Tallahassee, Fl 32303 > phone: 850.443.8277 fax: 904-685-2211 > ================================ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Britta Bennett > To: CF-Server > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: Linux vs Windows for CF Server? > > > My small company needs to start running its own CF server, and I'm > trying to figure out: > > Is there is ANY reason to go with the costly windows platform rather > than just run the CF server on Linux... Any advice re *stability, > performance, other considerations* re Linux VS Windows for running CF? > > Any advice would be greatly apprciated.. > Thanks very much! > > Sincerely, > Britta Bennett > West Coast Web > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:10:5309 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/10 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:10 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.10 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
