thank you...
tw

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Getting a business off the ground


Yup I'd have to agree with Paul here.  Any shmuck (not saying Matt is)
can
convince an investor to cough up some dough.  They can then burn through
it...fail..and have nothing but debt to show for it.

The "work and build on the side" approach makes better business sense
IMHO.

-You do not have the huge potential downside of losing all your money
and
someone elses
-You are the boss
-You can work out some kinks that could be expensive if you were in full
swing
blah blah blah

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Giesenhagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Getting a business off the ground


> I think you are missing his point, it isn't really a matter of web
shops,
> but more of ambition and wisdom combined .. If you want to get into
the
> bathroom fixtures business and work at McDonalds to support yourself
while
> building your clientile and your bathroom fixture business, then that
is
> what you have to do.  I would venture to say that there are a GREAT
many
> people, maybe even more than the 'norm' that do it this way.
>
> I deal with folks everyday that are currently working somewhere, while
> building something else that they eventually want to do full time.
>
> Don't just limit your thinking to the techno world, hard work,
dedication,
> wisdom and alittle good common sense can help you obtain your dreams
no
> matter what field.
>
> Paul Giesenhagen
> QuillDesign
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground
>
>
> > That's a wonderful story, but that just isn't the norm. Sure tons of
web
> > shops got started that way, but it all happened during a boom. The
boom
> > is over.
> >
> > Matt Liotta
> > President & CEO
> > Montara Software, Inc.
> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> > V: 415-577-8070
> > F: 415-341-8906
> > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:54 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground
> > >
> > > Matt,
> > >
> > > This is a myth and belies ambition. I started my company by
working
> > part
> > > time at a regular company doing development, and doing contract
work
> > on
> > > the
> > > side for a year and a 1/2, building up clientele - by the time I
quite
> > my
> > > regular job I had fully replaced it's income and then some. I also
had
> > a
> > > solid base to launch my company full time, as well as an excellent
> > pool of
> > > capital - and it's gone gangbusters ever since. It just depends on
who
> > you
> > > are and where you are at in life. There's living by faith - and
then
> > > there's
> > > wisdom.  You need a balance of both to be well-rounded.
> > >
> > > -mk
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:28 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground
> > >
> > >
> > > The big thing is that you have to jump all the way in. You can't
start
> > a
> > > company moonlighting while you work somewhere else. If you can't
bet
> > > your livelihood on your business then you can't really expect
anyone
> > > else to either.
> > >
> > > Matt Liotta
> > > President & CEO
> > > Montara Software, Inc.
> > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> > > V: 415-577-8070
> > > F: 415-341-8906
> > > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:53 AM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: OT: Getting a business off the ground
> > > >
> > > > I have started my own company a while ago and am hitting a brick
> > wall
> > > on
> > > > how
> > > > to get it off the ground. It's hard to do absolutely everything
> > > myself, so
> > > > I
> > > > throw this out to some of you that have your own company. What
did
> > you
> > > do?
> > > > Did you start with money? Hire people? Do everything yourself?
Have
> > a
> > > kick
> > > > ass product that got you off the ground? Cold called people?
Sent
> > out
> > > a
> > > > mailing? What did you do? I have an application I made that is
> > pretty
> > > > polished and am just looking for ideas on how to get this thing
out
> > > the
> > > > door
> > > > to people as either a service or as a stand alone app people can
> > buy.
> > > WHAT
> > > > DO I DO!!!!!! Anyways, sorry for the OT, flame away, but I
figure
> > > there
> > > > has
> > > > to be a couple other people that could benefit from this
discussion,
> > > let
> > > > me
> > > > know if this needs to move over to cf-community so I can sign up
for
> > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Robert Everland III
> > > > Web Developer Extraordinaire
> > > > Dixon Ticonderoga Company
> > > > http://www.dixonusa.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 

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