excellent - sorry about the fly-over-country chip on my shoulder <g>.
-mk -----Original Message----- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground AGREED! 100% if there was something larger than "inundated" more cumbersome than "busier-than-a-pig-in-slop" that would be me right now, and has been for over a couple years now! and im on the EAST COAST BABY BABY!!!!!!! in a small town near ocean city called Salisbury :) .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -----Original Message----- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground Matt, I'm "seriously" speaking from the experience of running my own company - and yes, here in the midwest there is pent up project work. I have 7 to 10 RFPs on my desk at any given moment and it's been like that for a year. CA is not the center of the universe you know <ha> - although if you listen to the news media you'd think there was the West coast, the east coast and "... all those poor struggling farmers in between". Oh... and I pay very close attention - and here's another news flash for you. Most companies are NOT on the evening news - they are too busy doing business. -mk -----Original Message----- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground Are you serious? Have you not been paying attention what companies are currently being affected by the economy? Most businesses aren't dot coms and most businesses are having trouble with finding funding these days. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:42 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground > > Wrong again... there is a plethara of business out there... and always has > been. the only "bust" is west coastys and their high rise dot com pure > play > dreams - now cast into the junk yard along with the thousands of ad > banners > <g>. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:49 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground > > > Again, I think that was true during the boom, but certainly not now. Not > only are shmucks not being funding, but neither are many good business > ideas. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > V: 415-577-8070 > F: 415-341-8906 > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:43 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Getting a business off the ground > > > > Yup I'd have to agree with Paul here. Any shmuck (not saying Matt is) > can > > convince an investor to cough up some dough. They can then burn > through > > it...fail..and have nothing but debt to show for it. > > > > The "work and build on the side" approach makes better business sense > > IMHO. > > > > -You do not have the huge potential downside of losing all your money > and > > someone elses > > -You are the boss > > -You can work out some kinks that could be expensive if you were in > full > > swing > > blah blah blah > > > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > > t. 250.920.8830 > > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Macromedia Associate Partner > > www.macromedia.com > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > > Founder & Director > > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Giesenhagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Getting a business off the ground > > > > > > > I think you are missing his point, it isn't really a matter of web > > shops, > > > but more of ambition and wisdom combined .. If you want to get into > the > > > bathroom fixtures business and work at McDonalds to support yourself > > while > > > building your clientile and your bathroom fixture business, then > that is > > > what you have to do. I would venture to say that there are a GREAT > many > > > people, maybe even more than the 'norm' that do it this way. > > > > > > I deal with folks everyday that are currently working somewhere, > while > > > building something else that they eventually want to do full time. > > > > > > Don't just limit your thinking to the techno world, hard work, > > dedication, > > > wisdom and alittle good common sense can help you obtain your dreams > no > > > matter what field. > > > > > > Paul Giesenhagen > > > QuillDesign > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:00 PM > > > Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground > > > > > > > > > > That's a wonderful story, but that just isn't the norm. Sure tons > of > > web > > > > shops got started that way, but it all happened during a boom. The > > boom > > > > is over. > > > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > > President & CEO > > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > > V: 415-577-8070 > > > > F: 415-341-8906 > > > > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:54 PM > > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > > Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground > > > > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > > > This is a myth and belies ambition. I started my company by > working > > > > part > > > > > time at a regular company doing development, and doing contract > work > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > side for a year and a 1/2, building up clientele - by the time I > > quite > > > > my > > > > > regular job I had fully replaced it's income and then some. I > also > > had > > > > a > > > > > solid base to launch my company full time, as well as an > excellent > > > > pool of > > > > > capital - and it's gone gangbusters ever since. It just depends > on > > who > > > > you > > > > > are and where you are at in life. There's living by faith - and > then > > > > > there's > > > > > wisdom. You need a balance of both to be well-rounded. > > > > > > > > > > -mk > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:28 PM > > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > > Subject: RE: Getting a business off the ground > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The big thing is that you have to jump all the way in. You can't > > start > > > > a > > > > > company moonlighting while you work somewhere else. If you can't > bet > > > > > your livelihood on your business then you can't really expect > anyone > > > > > else to either. > > > > > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > > > President & CEO > > > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > > > V: 415-577-8070 > > > > > F: 415-341-8906 > > > > > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:53 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > > > Subject: OT: Getting a business off the ground > > > > > > > > > > > > I have started my own company a while ago and am hitting a > brick > > > > wall > > > > > on > > > > > > how > > > > > > to get it off the ground. It's hard to do absolutely > everything > > > > > myself, so > > > > > > I > > > > > > throw this out to some of you that have your own company. What > did > > > > you > > > > > do? > > > > > > Did you start with money? Hire people? Do everything yourself? > > Have > > > > a > > > > > kick > > > > > > ass product that got you off the ground? Cold called people? > Sent > > > > out > > > > > a > > > > > > mailing? What did you do? I have an application I made that is > > > > pretty > > > > > > polished and am just looking for ideas on how to get this > thing > > out > > > > > the > > > > > > door > > > > > > to people as either a service or as a stand alone app people > can > > > > buy. > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > DO I DO!!!!!! Anyways, sorry for the OT, flame away, but I > figure > > > > > there > > > > > > has > > > > > > to be a couple other people that could benefit from this > > discussion, > > > > > let > > > > > > me > > > > > > know if this needs to move over to cf-community so I can sign > up > > for > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Everland III > > > > > > Web Developer Extraordinaire > > > > > > Dixon Ticonderoga Company > > > > > > http://www.dixonusa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
