I must fit in the 20 % then.  because one of the strict requirements for the
MSCE was proof of at least three years experience before one was even allowed to
sit for the five exams.  They even verified the experience before issuing the
certificate.

On the other hand, many geeks appear to be morons, until they are in their
element! LOL

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Douglas White, MSCE, MCP, MCSP, MS Channel Partner
group Manager
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.samcfug.org
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrocknaphobia Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: WWWOT certification experiences/plans?


| Well not to knock the real MCSEs, but I swear MS was giving them to
| people if they could sign their name. Like 80% of the MCSEs I know, are
| morons. And the one who aren't have other certs outside of MS.
|
| Adam Wayne Lehman
| Web Systems Developer
| Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
| Distance Education Division
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:26 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: WWWOT certification experiences/plans?
|
| Okay, I have to tell my story...
|
| CERTIFICATION MADE MY BUSINESS!
|
| Really.
|
| This is how it happened.  I had started to work full time as a
| consultant
| programmer, when a client told me that her shop was looking for a
| Technology Director (CIO).  I polished my CV and applied.  I seemed to
| be a
| good fit for the job. I had a nice interview with their search
| committee.
|
| I didn't get the job.
|
| It went to a guy with an MSCE.
|
| Flash forward 16 months.  I have 2 1/2 employees and am doing great.  I
| get
| a call from my client.
|
| Bob the MSCE, who BTW had zero interest in computers, but wanted an easy
|
| job, is leaving because the work is too hard.  He has accomplished not
| one
| goal during his tenure and his major project, which was one month from
| going live when he was hired, is still at square one.
|
| Typical Bob story: Being a "hands on" kinda guy, he installed 9 servers
| in
| his office.  Fortunately, it was close to the electrical panel.  The
| only
| rub was that he couldn't get the temperature below 102 degrees.
|
| Anyway, they want to know if I am still available.  When I stop
| laughing, I
| reply that, no, I am not available as an employee, but we will take the
| project on as a contractor.
|
| I GIVE THANKS DAILY TO THE GODS OF CERTIFICATION!
|
|
|
| 
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