Political Correctness is evil.  While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it 
just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of 
people? 

Pablo:  'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' 


Just making a point :) 

Charlie 


Joshua Miller writes: 

> Oops, I apologize if I offended anyone on the list. Although,
> truthfully, saying someone is disabled to me seems more offensive.
> Disabled means non-functional, I wouldn't imagine that they would like
> to be called non-functional, they only lack certain abilities. 
> 
> Political Correctness is such a slippery slope - which just goes to
> further prove my point. The "disabled" logo doesn't change, no matter
> how many times our culture changes it's language to describe these
> folks. 
> 
> Joshua Miller
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:36 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! 
> 
> 
> Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the
> Politically incorrect term (by the way). 
> 
> I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the
> word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people
> at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means  to had out a
> baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say
> Disabled and not handicapped. 
> 
> Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them
> handicapped
> ;) 
> 
> Pablo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM
> Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! 
> 
> 
>> All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While 
>> usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and 
>> development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web 
>> usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in 
>> print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - 
>> people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and 
>> visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention 
>> to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the 
>> subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the
> 
>> visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in 
>> pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white 
>> text with blue links. 
>>
>> If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all 
>> those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with 
>> 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. 
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! 
>>
>>
>> Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! 
>>
>>
>> Yea but the issue with the  mm home page is that it takes initially a 
>> while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, 
>> and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict 
>> macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. 
>>
>> On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I
> 
>> definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it 
>> seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the 
>> previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had
> 
>> some flare and animation to them  - even things like on focus color 
>> change in the text box is removed. 
>>
>> And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of
> 
>> my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with 
>> coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. 
>>
>> Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because 
>> I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and
> 
>> visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and 
>> flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I 
>> can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to 
>> macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in
> 
>> user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that 
>> home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is 
>> beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and "wow".
> 
>> The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first
> 
>> request, and all requests after that. 
>>
>> As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to 
>> sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of 
>> us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session
> 
>> vars and cookies. 
>>
>> As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the 
>> speed can be seriously increased. 
>>
>> but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple 
>> multiple visit daily user.. jay miller 
>>
>> Christian Cantrell wrote: 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a 
>>
>> pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map.... 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Not very hard... 
>>
>> Select "Product > ColdFusion MX" on the home page, and then you'll get 
>>
>> a 
>>
>> direct access to the exchange. 
>>
>> (and it will remember this setting) 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> This is actually a very important point.  When you load a page 
>>
>> containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer 
>>
>> than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting 
>> with 
>>
>> RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks.  And the fact 
>>
>> that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I 
>>
>> now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page 
>> that 
>>
>> contains links directly to not just the product I am usually 
>> interested 
>>
>> in, but different pages within that product section (including the 
>>
>> exchange). 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Christian 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>> 
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