Agreed...political correctness is a waste of time. Bigotted nasty people will always be that way....political correctness will not change there minds.
You can have the biggest heart and the best intentions and still manage to piss of some group or individual under the political correctness umbrella. It's far too much effort if you ask me. You have to call groups of people something and whatever is selected by whoever the hell thinks they should select it is bound to piss some folks off. <cf_sarcasm value="big time"> What's that...oh ya...can't please all of the people all of the time....right I've heard that somewhere before ;-) </cf_sarcasm> Cheers...and just play nice Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------- Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com --------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! > Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it > just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of > people? > > Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' > > > Just making a point :) > > Charlie > > > Joshua Miller writes: > > > Oops, I apologize if I offended anyone on the list. Although, > > truthfully, saying someone is disabled to me seems more offensive. > > Disabled means non-functional, I wouldn't imagine that they would like > > to be called non-functional, they only lack certain abilities. > > > > Political Correctness is such a slippery slope - which just goes to > > further prove my point. The "disabled" logo doesn't change, no matter > > how many times our culture changes it's language to describe these > > folks. > > > > Joshua Miller > > Head Programmer / IT Manager > > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > www.garrisonenterprises.net > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 > > > > ************************************************************************ > > ************* > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > > except where the sender states them to be the views of > > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > > advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ************************************************************************ > > ************* > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:36 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! > > > > > > Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the > > Politically incorrect term (by the way). > > > > I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the > > word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people > > at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a > > baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say > > Disabled and not handicapped. > > > > Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them > > handicapped > > ;) > > > > Pablo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM > > Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! > > > > > >> All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While > >> usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and > >> development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web > >> usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in > >> print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - > >> people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and > >> visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention > >> to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the > >> subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the > > > >> visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in > >> pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white > >> text with blue links. > >> > >> If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all > >> those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with > >> 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. > >> > >> Joshua Miller > >> Head Programmer / IT Manager > >> Garrison Enterprises Inc. > >> www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 > >> > >> ********************************************************************** > >> ** > >> ************* > >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > sender, > >> except where the sender states them to be the views of > >> Garrison Enterprises Inc. > >> > >> This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it > >> is addressed and contains information that is private and > >> confidential. 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If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it > > > >> immediately and advise us by return e-mail to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > ************************************************************************ > >> ************* > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! > >> > >> > >> Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! > >> > >> > >> Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a > >> while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, > >> and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict > >> macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. > >> > >> On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I > > > >> definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it > >> seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the > >> previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had > > > >> some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color > >> change in the text box is removed. > >> > >> And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of > > > >> my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with > >> coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. > >> > >> Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because > >> I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and > > > >> visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and > >> flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I > >> can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to > >> macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in > > > >> user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that > >> home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is > >> beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and "wow". > > > >> The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first > > > >> request, and all requests after that. > >> > >> As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to > >> sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of > >> us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session > > > >> vars and cookies. > >> > >> As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the > >> speed can be seriously increased. > >> > >> but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple > >> multiple visit daily user.. jay miller > >> > >> Christian Cantrell wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a > >> > >> pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map.... > >> > >> > >> > >> Not very hard... > >> > >> Select "Product > ColdFusion MX" on the home page, and then you'll get > >> > >> a > >> > >> direct access to the exchange. > >> > >> (and it will remember this setting) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> This is actually a very important point. When you load a page > >> > >> containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer > >> > >> than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting > >> with > >> > >> RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact > >> > >> that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I > >> > >> now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page > >> that > >> > >> contains links directly to not just the product I am usually > >> interested > >> > >> in, but different pages within that product section (including the > >> > >> exchange). > >> > >> > >> > >> Christian > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
