Charlie.... I totally agree, I was just letting him know what I was told in the conference ;)
I dont "generalize" either way (just a lazy typist :) Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! > Political Correctness is evil. While I appreciate Pablo's input...isn't it > just as 'politically incorrect' to generalize about a particular group of > people? > > Pablo: 'they get really pissed if you call them handicapped' > > > Just making a point :) > > Charlie > > > Joshua Miller writes: > > > Oops, I apologize if I offended anyone on the list. Although, > > truthfully, saying someone is disabled to me seems more offensive. > > Disabled means non-functional, I wouldn't imagine that they would like > > to be called non-functional, they only lack certain abilities. > > > > Political Correctness is such a slippery slope - which just goes to > > further prove my point. The "disabled" logo doesn't change, no matter > > how many times our culture changes it's language to describe these > > folks. > > > > Joshua Miller > > Head Programmer / IT Manager > > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > www.garrisonenterprises.net > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 > > > > ************************************************************************ > > ************* > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > > except where the sender states them to be the views of > > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > > advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ************************************************************************ > > ************* > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:36 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! > > > > > > Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the > > Politically incorrect term (by the way). > > > > I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the > > word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people > > at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a > > baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say > > Disabled and not handicapped. > > > > Just letting ya know... they get really pissed if you call them > > handicapped > > ;) > > > > Pablo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:18 AM > > Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! > > > > > >> All due respect to Mr. Neilsen, but he's a boring old codger. While > >> usability is important it's NOT the be-all end-all of web design and > >> development. I'm not sure how he became the de-facto lord of web > >> usability, but a lot of his ideas are contrary to what has worked in > >> print marketing for decades. The web is not JUST about information - > >> people are inherently aesthetic, it's our universal language and > >> visual language is stronger than any other. People pay more attention > >> to visual design than they realize - it affects you on the > >> subconscious level and honestly, your brain pays more attention to the > > > >> visual than the content in the long run. When you dream you dream in > >> pictures, icons and symbols, not pages and pages of black and white > >> text with blue links. > >> > >> If Jacob Neilsen's logic was applied to design outside the web all > >> those universally-understood handicapped signs would be replaced with > >> 4 foot wide black and white banners that read HANDICAPPED. > >> > >> Joshua Miller > >> Head Programmer / IT Manager > >> Garrison Enterprises Inc. > >> www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 > >> > >> ********************************************************************** > >> ** > >> ************* > >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > sender, > >> except where the sender states them to be the views of > >> Garrison Enterprises Inc. > >> > >> This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it > >> is addressed and contains information that is private and > >> confidential. 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If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it > > > >> immediately and advise us by return e-mail to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > ************************************************************************ > >> ************* > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:57 AM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! > >> > >> > >> Let's get Jakob Nielsen to end this > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:52 PM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! > >> > >> > >> Yea but the issue with the mm home page is that it takes initially a > >> while to load, then every click I make has this sluggishness to it, > >> and most of the buttons create a page request which seems contradict > >> macromedia flashes power of reducing http requests. > >> > >> On a few flash lists I am active on general consensus is negative... I > > > >> definately share that..Although design is very nice and clean - it > >> seems like last years trend. Perks and snappy elements such as the > >> previous shortcuts worked MUCH faster, drop down lists on old site had > > > >> some flare and animation to them - even things like on focus color > >> change in the text box is removed. > >> > >> And those shortcuts - they are amazingly slow for me. I have on one of > > > >> my sites drop downs pulling from a mere access database with > >> coldfusion as server side that work substantially faster. > >> > >> Can't help but not be to thrilled. Yesterday - I also went in because > >> I needed to research some technotes.. I gave up. I closed the site and > > > >> visited some other resources. While I am sure that macr designers and > >> flash developers worked hard and it is an all around nice app - I > >> can't help but be sad about the change. I would have sent clients to > >> macromedia home page on old site for them to see a glimpse of flash in > > > >> user on hybrid pages.. Now I wouldn't send a client to review that > >> home page. just my 02. I don't know what the focus was and this is > >> beta - but I for one hope the second release is much faster and "wow". > > > >> The site and it's features are just all around sluggish for me.. first > > > >> request, and all requests after that. > >> > >> As for the interface remember what you last clicked - I don't mean to > >> sound like an ass- but not ingenious. Useful occasionally but many of > >> us flash people have been doing that for the last year through session > > > >> vars and cookies. > >> > >> As a base architecture and layout - I think it shows potential if the > >> speed can be seriously increased. > >> > >> but then again - it's just my 02 cents and who am I but a mere simple > >> multiple visit daily user.. jay miller > >> > >> Christian Cantrell wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a > >> > >> pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map.... > >> > >> > >> > >> Not very hard... > >> > >> Select "Product > ColdFusion MX" on the home page, and then you'll get > >> > >> a > >> > >> direct access to the exchange. > >> > >> (and it will remember this setting) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> This is actually a very important point. When you load a page > >> > >> containing one more more RIAs, it is very likely going to take longer > >> > >> than just loading a straightforward HTML page, however interacting > >> with > >> > >> RIAs, in the long run, should save you several clicks. And the fact > >> > >> that it remembers your selection is pretty ingenious, so basically, I > >> > >> now have a slightly customized version of the Macromedia home page > >> that > >> > >> contains links directly to not just the product I am usually > >> interested > >> > >> in, but different pages within that product section (including the > >> > >> exchange). > >> > >> > >> > >> Christian > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
