Another thought on this... 

Acrobat, for example, does not (I believe) use ActiveX as Flash and many
others do: Acrobat uses OLE (the Acrobat reader opens within IE, adding
custom toolbars and such just an Office app would, but can also open as
a stand-alone application).

But Acrobat is specifically mentioned as being affected in all stories
I've read.

If Acrobat (and presumably other applications like it) ARE affected by
the patent then it seems like much more than plug-ins are.  If it's NOT
affected by the patent it would seem potentially to provide a workaround
for developers.

Jim Davis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:02 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: No so good news
> 
> > Again - if it were also a stand alone application (as it probably
needs
> > to be) then the situation is murkier - how is it "integrated".  A
DLL
> > on
> > the machine (as long as it launched by a hyper text command and
> > controlled by the hyper-text browser) IS a "plug-in" - despite the
fact
> > that there is no "generic" plug-in architecture in place.
> >
> Integrating a DLL into an application means that it is part of the
same
> memory space and thus does not use IPC to communicate.
> 
> > IE opening Word (for example) via OLE mode is also (seemingly)
covered
> > as is Encarta (which launches media and other applications via it's
> > hyper text interface).
> >
> In the case of OLE, there is IPC going on between two distinct
> applications with one being clearly controlled by another.
> 
> > Of course this IS legalese and thus completely obtuse - but I still
the
> > patent paints with a much larger stroke than many people think.
> >
> No doubt about that, but the fact that IPC is specifically mentioned
> means that any integration that doesn't use IPC is not covered.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.MontaraSoftware.com
> (888) 408-0900 x901
> 
> 
> 
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